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Re: Critical Care Comparison?

Kinenchen
 

Sherwood is very sugary, so I'd be careful about feeding it to a bunny who might have stasis, dysbiosis, a blockage or any other condition where the sugar might cause gas that could exacerbate the situation. It's a fine formula for bunnies who need to gain weight and don't have sensitive tummies, but you have to supplement with Critical Care or something formulated with vitamins and minerals to ensure the bunny is getting adequate nutrition.

If you can't find Critical Care, grinding up your bunny's regular pellets in the blender is less likely to upset the bunny's intestinal flora and it'll save you some money. I add a generous handful of basil or fennel to the blender to give it an appealing aroma without adding a lot of excess sugar.


Christie Taylor



On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:50 AM ThumpersMama18 <jmiller111391@...> wrote:
I agree with BenBun'sMom, we feel sherwood is the best. Both my boys LOVE sherwood recovery food and eat it straight from a dish! In a pinch you can crush pellets with water but we think Sherwood is the best for recovery food. Doctor Doogs Bunny Pharm also has a GREAT "homemade" recovery food called "Vitality Vittles". Sometimes we mix a little of the DoctorDoogs w/Sherwood. 
My exotic vet also gives a bag of Emeraid after surgeries but I do not like that ingredient list, same with Oxbow's.. so we use sherwood. My boys LOVE sherwood recovery food! They gobble it right up! :)

Jess


Re: Sauteur d’Alfort buns

mark
 

Hi Meg,

I agree, this cant be good for their bodies in the long run.

And not to go to br**ding, but... if it was my buns that had this mutation, I would let it die out.
Which would happen in any case, being against br**ding in general.

-mark

On 4/1/2021 11:05 PM, Meg Brown wrote:
Hi Mark,
My first thought is that moving like that would be very stressful on their joints.
I would not be surprised if they get early onset arthritis.
Also, holding their head bad looks so unnatural and painful. (tight neck muscles)
I would hope that they wouldn’t be bred as a novelty.
I’m interested in others’ opinions,
Thank you,
Meg

On Apr 1, 2021, at 10:33 PM, mark via groups.io <mark318318=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Someone sent me this.
I found it hard to believe at first, but apparently it's true.
A breed of buns that can't hop normally, so they do "handstands" and walk on their fronts.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-mutation-replaces-bunny-hops-handstands-180977365

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rabbit-handstand-front-paws-gene-defect-video


Relevance to Etherbun - behavior, I guess.
It shows how adaptable these little guys are, and in situations where some people might consider euthanasia, the buns show that they are able to make do and have an acceptable quality of life.

-mark









Re: Sauteur d’Alfort buns

Meg Brown
 

Hi Mark,
My first thought is that moving like that would be very stressful on their joints.
I would not be surprised if they get early onset arthritis.
Also, holding their head bad looks so unnatural and painful. (tight neck muscles)

I would hope that they wouldn’t be bred as a novelty.
I’m interested in others’ opinions,
Thank you,
Meg

On Apr 1, 2021, at 10:33 PM, mark via groups.io <mark318318=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Someone sent me this.
I found it hard to believe at first, but apparently it's true.
A breed of buns that can't hop normally, so they do "handstands" and walk on their fronts.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-mutation-replaces-bunny-hops-handstands-180977365

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rabbit-handstand-front-paws-gene-defect-video


Relevance to Etherbun - behavior, I guess.
It shows how adaptable these little guys are, and in situations where some people might consider euthanasia, the buns show that they are able to make do and have an acceptable quality of life.

-mark






Sauteur d’Alfort buns

mark
 

Someone sent me this.
I found it hard to believe at first, but apparently it's true.
A breed of buns that can't hop normally, so they do "handstands" and walk on their fronts.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-mutation-replaces-bunny-hops-handstands-180977365

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rabbit-handstand-front-paws-gene-defect-video


Relevance to Etherbun - behavior, I guess.
It shows how adaptable these little guys are, and in situations where some people might consider euthanasia, the buns show that they are able to make do and have an acceptable quality of life.

-mark


Re: Critical Care Comparison?

 

I agree with BenBun'sMom, we feel sherwood is the best. Both my boys LOVE sherwood recovery food and eat it straight from a dish! In a pinch you can crush pellets with water but we think Sherwood is the best for recovery food. Doctor Doogs Bunny Pharm also has a GREAT "homemade" recovery food called "Vitality Vittles". Sometimes we mix a little of the DoctorDoogs w/Sherwood. 
My exotic vet also gives a bag of Emeraid after surgeries but I do not like that ingredient list, same with Oxbow's.. so we use sherwood. My boys LOVE sherwood recovery food! They gobble it right up! :)

Jess


Re: pregnant / nursing rabbit questions

Sorelle
 


Hi Steve,

 
Rabbitats / Abandoned Rabbits is putting together a guide or manual covering these things so we're looking at the same research.  We have a bit of grant funding for it.  We're hoping to get everybody involved in feral rescue working together or at least communicating, so I'd love to hear from you directly. 

In the meantime can you list the location of the rabbits on our map at www.abandonedrabbits.com? We're in the process of switching over to new software, hopefully there won't be any glitches. 

We also have a survey, here:  

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSewzaFJhD5DUO9iF8dgfVLgMujwfxfBM_vgAq3YgHP0yFnBEA/viewform

Anybody in Etherbun is also welcome to contact us, thanks. 

Sorelle


Re: Critical Care Comparison?

BenBun'sMom
 

I've only used Emeraid formulae with wildlife and waterbirds, but you might also look at Sherwood's recovery formula.  Ingredients are much more appealing to me than those in other brands ...


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 4:39 PM Sorelle <rabbitats@...> wrote:
The vet prescribed this for a foster bunny.  Any nutritional or content comparisons to Critical Care?  Experiences?  The foster says its seems easier to feed but the bunny isn't as impressed.  (We can't find Papaya flavored Critical Care). 

https://emeraid.com/vet/emeraid-herbivore-sustain/


Critical Care Comparison?

Sorelle
 

The vet prescribed this for a foster bunny.  Any nutritional or content comparisons to Critical Care?  Experiences?  The foster says its seems easier to feed but the bunny isn't as impressed.  (We can't find Papaya flavored Critical Care). 

https://emeraid.com/vet/emeraid-herbivore-sustain/


Re: RHDV2 in ID, OR

Deborah Beal
 

Exotics vets here in the Portland area are working on getting the vaccine quickly.  A friend here who has a rabbit rescue told me yesterday thst the state is trying to get it to distribute to vets up here.

Deborah, 
Lucy, Zoe & Ollie
Maurice & Leo

On Mar 27, 2021, at 9:17 AM, Pamela Alley <rnrq@...> wrote:


New detections of the deadly RHVD2 virus in Boise, ID and Portland, OR areas.  PLEASE be ready for this stuff, you don't get second chances.  Vaccinate and get your biosecurity in place!  Be aware!
Multiple groups on Facebook are available to help you with information.

PA


RHDV2 in ID, OR

Pamela Alley
 

New detections of the deadly RHVD2 virus in Boise, ID and Portland, OR areas.  PLEASE be ready for this stuff, you don't get second chances.  Vaccinate and get your biosecurity in place!  Be aware!
Multiple groups on Facebook are available to help you with information.

PA


Re: Pasterella gone two new ones are here...Help?

Rebecca Wells
 

Angela, I don't think the attachment went through. You may have to upload it to the files section to the group's website on etherbun.groups.io


Re: Pasterella gone two new ones are here...Help?

Angela Dean
 

I have just attached some screenshots from a book I have on antibiotic resistance and research on alternatives. There’s a section on this bacteria.


On Mar 25, 2021, at 6:29 PM, Valeria <vagalvan@...> wrote:

Hi, it's 2021 and I'm from Brazil, and my bunny has the same bacteria on his eyes, Acinetobacter baumannii.
His vet is searching with other vets, even in bigger cities, but here nobody ever had any case that they treated for this bacteria, and internet is silent also.
Did these antibiotics work with your bunny?


Re: Pasterella gone two new ones are here...Help?

Valeria
 

Hi, it's 2021 and I'm from Brazil, and my bunny has the same bacteria on his eyes, Acinetobacter baumannii.
His vet is searching with other vets, even in bigger cities, but here nobody ever had any case that they treated for this bacteria, and internet is silent also.
Did these antibiotics work with your bunny?


Bunny with Acinetobacter baumannii

Valeria
 

Hi, my bunny has runny eyes for three months now and some kind of allergy on his nose. 3 weeks ago he was diagnosed having the drug resistant bacteria called Acinetobacter baumanni. I'm from Brasil and my vet doesn't know which antibiotics to use that are non toxic to the bunny, and I also can't find anything on the internet. Please someone could help?? It's quite urgent :(

--
Valeria Galván


ADMIN: Easter

mark
 

Hi EB'ers,

As Easter approaches, the moderators would like to remind everyone about two subjects which are off-topic for Etherbun.

The first is Easter greetings.
We all love the cute imagery of the buns associated with the holiday, but these posts contain no information on health, care, biology and behavior of pet rabbits.

The second is the practice of giving live rabbits as Easter gifts.
Although this is clearly bad for these buns, and we certainly do not condone the practice of bringing these wonderful little animals into the world as gifts only to see them discarded when the novelty wears off, these posts are really animal activism, which are against the guidelines. There are other groups and listservs dedicated to the topic of animal rescue and activism, but Etherbun is not one of them.

If you would like to spread the word elsewhere about giving live bunnies for Easter, you may visit one of these resources for ideas:

http://www.makeminechocolate.org/ <http://www.makeminechocolate.org/>
http://www.rabbit.org/easter/ <http://www.rabbit.org/easter/>
http://www.rabbitnetwork.org/easter.shtml <http://www.rabbitnetwork.org/easter.shtml>

We need to keep the list uncluttered for those who need it for its intended purpose - caring for their beloved family members.
Of course you can always add short sentiments on these subjects to the end of your on-topic posts.

Thanks to all for keeping Etherbun a high-quality resource!

-Mark for EBAC


Re: Anti-Easter Bunny Sales Advocacy Info

Emprins
 

The only thing that seems to stem the rush of anger in my chest when I hear about these situation is focusing on the pity I also feel. Our bunnies' personalities are night and day from when they came to live with us. I can't imagine giving up what's come from having them in our lives and nurturing those bonds.  

People just don't know very much at all about domesticated bunnies, let alone that they can be even more fulfilling companions than cats or dogs, which I say as someone who loves and grew up with both. But thinking of those game changer moments in our bond - deciding to only pick them up when necessary, learning "bunny massage" and not to touch that cute butt - it's difficult to get most people to comply with the respect bunnies need, let alone children. 

But once people spend time with happy rabbits and learn how to treat and care for them, it's magic! We've sparked 3 bunny adoptions simply by having friends and family over with our free roaming buns around! 

When people see what having a bunny companion can be like - with of course the disclaimer than not all bunnies are as friendly or minimally destructive as ours - they fall in love with the idea of having a bunny friend, particularly other young millenials in major cities who don't have room for a dog. The best outreach is personal and I can't wait to start having people over again to get more bunny converts!

Emma

On Mar 24, 2021 at 3:11 PM, <David L. Fisher> wrote:

The saddest thing to me is, some rescues start getting those "dump calls" on Easter night - their kids get bored with the novelty that fast, or as soon as the family realizes that a rabbit, like any animals, needs proper care.

It breaks my heart to see the same trend year after year, and I know many people who try to help educate folks who might be inclined to get a rabbit without thinking through what it means to add a family member.

Dave



On 3/22/2021 6:35 PM, John Gee via groups.io wrote:
Hi Emma,

 I'm glad you posted here, The rabbits for Easter is a battle rabbit rescues, animal shelters, & rabbit people face . The House Rabbit Society http://www.rabbit.org  has a large Easter awareness campaign to stop rabbit adoptions and rabbit purchases. They have flyers and articles available.  The House Rabbit Society and chapters have education sources that can be used year round . Many HRS chapters work with local animal shelters to stop rabbit adoptions one to two weeks prior to Easter. The  Make Mine Chocolate campaign Cindy mentioned is a valuable resource  .

While many animal shelters slow rabbit adoptions  or stop adoptions before Easter , pet stores are an easy way to find a rabbit for Easter. The rabbits for Easter brings the annual "Easter rabbit dump ". Usually in May or June the lovely low-maintenance rabbit is brought to an animal shelter to be saved. 
On Monday, March 22, 2021, 10:18:26 AM CDT, Emprins <emprins@...> wrote:


Hi Bunny lovers! 

We seem to be coming up on Easter season and while the months after Easter are great for buying discount bunny themed home decor (very guilty!), they are not a good time for many bunnies. 

I'm likely preaching to the choir, but for those who don't know, the vast majority of bunny sales this time of year are impulse purchases, often meant for children, and end in abandonment and/or violent death. The practice has been banned in California but is still unfortunately very common. I'm interested in putting up a sign in my yard about the commitment involved in bunny companionship and Easter, as well as finding more ways I can volunteer my time to advocacy groups pushing for Anti-Easter sale legislation, but they've been a bit hard to track down. If anyone on the listserve has any leads for this kind of advocacy work or where I might be able to purchase a sign I'd love any guidance I can get. 

Please note that I do value this listserve so, while I personally don't see this issue as political, I want to be respectful of the space and apologize if this isn't the correct venue for this request.  I hope you all have been enjoying the transition to Spring and are able to spend the spring holiday season, be it Easter, Nowruz, or Holi, with those you love, human and non-human alike! 

Emma


Re: Anti-Easter Bunny Sales Advocacy Info

David L. Fisher
 

The saddest thing to me is, some rescues start getting those "dump calls" on Easter night - their kids get bored with the novelty that fast, or as soon as the family realizes that a rabbit, like any animals, needs proper care.

It breaks my heart to see the same trend year after year, and I know many people who try to help educate folks who might be inclined to get a rabbit without thinking through what it means to add a family member.

Dave



On 3/22/2021 6:35 PM, John Gee via groups.io wrote:
Hi Emma,

 I'm glad you posted here, The rabbits for Easter is a battle rabbit rescues, animal shelters, & rabbit people face . The House Rabbit Society http://www.rabbit.org  has a large Easter awareness campaign to stop rabbit adoptions and rabbit purchases. They have flyers and articles available.  The House Rabbit Society and chapters have education sources that can be used year round . Many HRS chapters work with local animal shelters to stop rabbit adoptions one to two weeks prior to Easter. The  Make Mine Chocolate campaign Cindy mentioned is a valuable resource  .

While many animal shelters slow rabbit adoptions  or stop adoptions before Easter , pet stores are an easy way to find a rabbit for Easter. The rabbits for Easter brings the annual "Easter rabbit dump ". Usually in May or June the lovely low-maintenance rabbit is brought to an animal shelter to be saved. 
On Monday, March 22, 2021, 10:18:26 AM CDT, Emprins <emprins@...> wrote:


Hi Bunny lovers! 

We seem to be coming up on Easter season and while the months after Easter are great for buying discount bunny themed home decor (very guilty!), they are not a good time for many bunnies. 

I'm likely preaching to the choir, but for those who don't know, the vast majority of bunny sales this time of year are impulse purchases, often meant for children, and end in abandonment and/or violent death. The practice has been banned in California but is still unfortunately very common. I'm interested in putting up a sign in my yard about the commitment involved in bunny companionship and Easter, as well as finding more ways I can volunteer my time to advocacy groups pushing for Anti-Easter sale legislation, but they've been a bit hard to track down. If anyone on the listserve has any leads for this kind of advocacy work or where I might be able to purchase a sign I'd love any guidance I can get. 

Please note that I do value this listserve so, while I personally don't see this issue as political, I want to be respectful of the space and apologize if this isn't the correct venue for this request.  I hope you all have been enjoying the transition to Spring and are able to spend the spring holiday season, be it Easter, Nowruz, or Holi, with those you love, human and non-human alike! 

Emma


Re: What's the deal with meloxidyl being out of stock?

dustbunnysmom
 

I work at a clinic in Virginia Beach.  We are having problems getting drugs, pet food, surgical supplies on a daily basis.  Chain of supply has been halted due to weather, warehouse employee sickness and COVID restrictions.  Many drugs like Trimeth Sulfa are made overseas.  Metacam is out of Mexico but Boehringer Ingelheim is having paperwork and possible production problems (depends on which rep you talk to).  It’s been a rough year so far and it’s only March.


On Mar 24, 2021, at 10:00 AM, gabbysbunnies via groups.io <gabbysbunnies@...> wrote:


My question is what's up with vets no longer being able to obtain penicillin?  I have a bunny with a severe ear and upper respiratory infection and my vet told me that although he has some penicillin in stock, Apple (my bunny) will probably need to be on an antibiotic for a considerable amount of time and he doesn't want to start him on penicillin if we can't continue it.  Is the production down because of the ramped up COVID vaccine? Very strange and disturbing.

Thanks.
Gabrielle LaManna
Educator, New Fairfield, CT

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 10:14:17 PM EDT, motek_and_gozal via groups.io <talsaarony@...> wrote:


My sweet angel Pashosh was on long term meloxicam. I was able to get 200ml meloxicam from a local compounding pharmacy. It cost $65, which is incredibly cheap for 200ml. This was a 3 month supply. The price for a one month supply was basically the same, so if you are able to get a prescription for this much medication, you'll save a lot. And this is a small local pharmacy in the Boston area, which is a very expensive region. If you live in a cheaper area you might be able to save more. At the vet I could probably not even get the 32ml for that price. I had never previously considered getting meloxicam locally at a compounding pharmacy, so something to consider.

Tal
PS A student is writing a thesis about x-rays that were taken in an inadequate, incompetent, or ineffective manner, e.g., a tiny skull on a full frame x-ray (instead of centering on the skull), wrong positions, wrong oblique views with superposing structures, or anything else.

If you have or know of such x-ray examples, please email them to Elodie at elodie.degrinfo@...


Re: What's the deal with meloxidyl being out of stock?

Cyndi Comfort
 

Hi Gabrielle,

I hope you were able to find the meloxicam for your bunny.

Side note:  My vet told me that he tries to avoid using compounded medicines as much as possible because the medicine is basically just mixed up in a liquid to cut it down to the approximate dose needed for your bunny by volume. But compounded drugs don't always mix uniformly, meaning that one dose could actually have a higher amount of the medicine than the next dose.  It's very hard to get a completely uniform mixture in a compounded medicine.  To be clear, that was my takeaway from my vet on his thoughts about compounded medicine.  Now sometimes compounding is the only way to get medicines, but you might check with your vet about that.  

My vet sold me the brand name "EloxiOral (meloxicam oral suspension) 1.5 mg/mL for my bunnies. It is labeled for Non-steriodal anti-inflammatory drug for oral use in dogs only.  It is made by Henry Schein.  She just adjusted the dose for my bunny's weight.

 I hope that helps.  Good luck

On Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 07:00:09 AM PDT, gabbysbunnies via groups.io <gabbysbunnies@...> wrote:


My question is what's up with vets no longer being able to obtain penicillin?  I have a bunny with a severe ear and upper respiratory infection and my vet told me that although he has some penicillin in stock, Apple (my bunny) will probably need to be on an antibiotic for a considerable amount of time and he doesn't want to start him on penicillin if we can't continue it.  Is the production down because of the ramped up COVID vaccine? Very strange and disturbing.

Thanks.
Gabrielle LaManna
Educator, New Fairfield, CT

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 10:14:17 PM EDT, motek_and_gozal via groups.io <talsaarony@...> wrote:


My sweet angel Pashosh was on long term meloxicam. I was able to get 200ml meloxicam from a local compounding pharmacy. It cost $65, which is incredibly cheap for 200ml. This was a 3 month supply. The price for a one month supply was basically the same, so if you are able to get a prescription for this much medication, you'll save a lot. And this is a small local pharmacy in the Boston area, which is a very expensive region. If you live in a cheaper area you might be able to save more. At the vet I could probably not even get the 32ml for that price. I had never previously considered getting meloxicam locally at a compounding pharmacy, so something to consider.

Tal
PS A student is writing a thesis about x-rays that were taken in an inadequate, incompetent, or ineffective manner, e.g., a tiny skull on a full frame x-ray (instead of centering on the skull), wrong positions, wrong oblique views with superposing structures, or anything else.

If you have or know of such x-ray examples, please email them to Elodie at elodie.degrinfo@...


Re: What's the deal with meloxidyl being out of stock?

gabbysbunnies
 

My question is what's up with vets no longer being able to obtain penicillin?  I have a bunny with a severe ear and upper respiratory infection and my vet told me that although he has some penicillin in stock, Apple (my bunny) will probably need to be on an antibiotic for a considerable amount of time and he doesn't want to start him on penicillin if we can't continue it.  Is the production down because of the ramped up COVID vaccine? Very strange and disturbing.

Thanks.
Gabrielle LaManna
Educator, New Fairfield, CT

On Tuesday, March 23, 2021, 10:14:17 PM EDT, motek_and_gozal via groups.io <talsaarony@...> wrote:


My sweet angel Pashosh was on long term meloxicam. I was able to get 200ml meloxicam from a local compounding pharmacy. It cost $65, which is incredibly cheap for 200ml. This was a 3 month supply. The price for a one month supply was basically the same, so if you are able to get a prescription for this much medication, you'll save a lot. And this is a small local pharmacy in the Boston area, which is a very expensive region. If you live in a cheaper area you might be able to save more. At the vet I could probably not even get the 32ml for that price. I had never previously considered getting meloxicam locally at a compounding pharmacy, so something to consider.

Tal
PS A student is writing a thesis about x-rays that were taken in an inadequate, incompetent, or ineffective manner, e.g., a tiny skull on a full frame x-ray (instead of centering on the skull), wrong positions, wrong oblique views with superposing structures, or anything else.

If you have or know of such x-ray examples, please email them to Elodie at elodie.degrinfo@...

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