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Re: Litterbox litter

David L. Fisher
 

I used to use newspaper, back when my parents would save them for me, for the litterboxes.  It also worked well and was cheaper than buying something to take its place.  Besides asking the post office (which never occurred to me), you might ask anyone you know who still gets newspapers delivered to save them for you.

The only reason I switched to Carefresh was because I moved to another state, and it just wasn't as easy for me to get enough old newspapers.

Dave



On 5/12/2021 7:56 PM, CatherineAnderson wrote:
I never thought to ask the post office for newspaper.  That's a fabulous idea.  Thank you!

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Meg Brown <bustercharlie@...> wrote:
Hi Catherine,
      I also use layers of newspaper, topped with lots of hay.
     I get the newspaper free from my post office (weekly local news, with no shiny ad inserts)
     It works great and it all goes in the compost.
     Meg

On May 12, 2021, at 7:43 PM, lakesancutuary via groups.io <lakesancutuary=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


We always just lined the litter boxes with several layers of newspaper and topped with hay.  worked great:  easy to clean up and kept the smell to zero.

Martha and our sweet dog Fletcher




On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 07:24:23 PM EDT, judy.wachholz <judy.wachholz@...> wrote:


I used Yesterday's News.

On Wed, May 12, 2021, 5:45 PM CatherineAnderson <yamistillindc@...> wrote:
I've been using Oxbow litter but am currently unable to find any in the store.  Is there another low-dust alternative that anyone can recommend?

Thank you
Catherine

--
Martha and her angel bunnies Cappy, Biscuit & Roxie


Re: Litterbox litter

CatherineAnderson
 

I never thought to ask the post office for newspaper.  That's a fabulous idea.  Thank you!

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Meg Brown <bustercharlie@...> wrote:
Hi Catherine,
      I also use layers of newspaper, topped with lots of hay.
     I get the newspaper free from my post office (weekly local news, with no shiny ad inserts)
     It works great and it all goes in the compost.
     Meg

On May 12, 2021, at 7:43 PM, lakesancutuary via groups.io <lakesancutuary=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


We always just lined the litter boxes with several layers of newspaper and topped with hay.  worked great:  easy to clean up and kept the smell to zero.

Martha and our sweet dog Fletcher




On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 07:24:23 PM EDT, judy.wachholz <judy.wachholz@...> wrote:


I used Yesterday's News.

On Wed, May 12, 2021, 5:45 PM CatherineAnderson <yamistillindc@...> wrote:
I've been using Oxbow litter but am currently unable to find any in the store.  Is there another low-dust alternative that anyone can recommend?

Thank you
Catherine


--
Martha and her angel bunnies Cappy, Biscuit & Roxie


Re: Litterbox litter

CatherineAnderson
 

I think that's what I'm going to do.  Thank you for the suggestion.

On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 7:43 PM lakesancutuary via groups.io <lakesancutuary=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
We always just lined the litter boxes with several layers of newspaper and topped with hay.  worked great:  easy to clean up and kept the smell to zero.

Martha and our sweet dog Fletcher




On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 07:24:23 PM EDT, judy.wachholz <judy.wachholz@...> wrote:


I used Yesterday's News.

On Wed, May 12, 2021, 5:45 PM CatherineAnderson <yamistillindc@...> wrote:
I've been using Oxbow litter but am currently unable to find any in the store.  Is there another low-dust alternative that anyone can recommend?

Thank you
Catherine


--
Martha and her angel bunnies Cappy, Biscuit & Roxie


Re: Litterbox litter

Meg Brown
 

Hi Catherine,
      I also use layers of newspaper, topped with lots of hay.
     I get the newspaper free from my post office (weekly local news, with no shiny ad inserts)
     It works great and it all goes in the compost.
     Meg

On May 12, 2021, at 7:43 PM, lakesancutuary via groups.io <lakesancutuary@...> wrote:


We always just lined the litter boxes with several layers of newspaper and topped with hay.  worked great:  easy to clean up and kept the smell to zero.

Martha and our sweet dog Fletcher




On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 07:24:23 PM EDT, judy.wachholz <judy.wachholz@...> wrote:


I used Yesterday's News.

On Wed, May 12, 2021, 5:45 PM CatherineAnderson <yamistillindc@...> wrote:
I've been using Oxbow litter but am currently unable to find any in the store.  Is there another low-dust alternative that anyone can recommend?

Thank you
Catherine


--
Martha and her angel bunnies Cappy, Biscuit & Roxie


Re: Litterbox litter

lakesancutuary
 

We always just lined the litter boxes with several layers of newspaper and topped with hay.  worked great:  easy to clean up and kept the smell to zero.

Martha and our sweet dog Fletcher




On Wednesday, May 12, 2021, 07:24:23 PM EDT, judy.wachholz <judy.wachholz@...> wrote:


I used Yesterday's News.

On Wed, May 12, 2021, 5:45 PM CatherineAnderson <yamistillindc@...> wrote:
I've been using Oxbow litter but am currently unable to find any in the store.  Is there another low-dust alternative that anyone can recommend?

Thank you
Catherine


--
Martha and her angel bunnies Cappy, Biscuit & Roxie


Re: Litterbox litter

judy.wachholz
 

I used Yesterday's News.


On Wed, May 12, 2021, 5:45 PM CatherineAnderson <yamistillindc@...> wrote:
I've been using Oxbow litter but am currently unable to find any in the store.  Is there another low-dust alternative that anyone can recommend?

Thank you
Catherine


Re: Litterbox litter

David L. Fisher
 

Hi Catherine -

I've been using Carefresh and a generous layer of hay on top of it for quite some time now, and it has been working quite well.

Dave


On 5/12/2021 6:44 PM, CatherineAnderson wrote:
I've been using Oxbow litter but am currently unable to find any in the store.  Is there another low-dust alternative that anyone can recommend?

Thank you
Catherine


Litterbox litter

CatherineAnderson
 

I've been using Oxbow litter but am currently unable to find any in the store.  Is there another low-dust alternative that anyone can recommend?

Thank you
Catherine


Re: Stasis - moult relief suggestions

JG
 

Thank you all so much for your suggestions / advice, which I am working on.  She is eating hay and veg, and some pellets, and there is poo production, so I am cautiously optimistic, but am continuing the meds and sub q fluids, much to her annoyance and disgust.  Haven’t made a decision as to whether I will go on my trip yet… see how she is doing over the next day or two.

Julie and Shiruba (THUMP!)



On 8 May 2021, at 11:57, Meg Brown <bustercharlie@...> wrote:

Hi Julie,
     I personally don’t put any stock in using papaya.

    I find that cisapride and Reglan are both very helpful with a GI slowdown, as you describe.

If given a choice, I would choose cisapride, as it works on the lower GI.  I’m fortunate in that I usually have both on hand.   I often give both together.

     I would keep up with the sub-Q fluids and of course syringe-feed Critical Care or a substitute (homemade pellet mush?), if she’s not eating.

      I would also ask your vet for a script for cisapride ASAP 
It can be given 2-3x a day.

And Brush as often as possible, even 2-3x a day while heavily shedding.
    Wishing all the best to you and Shiruba🐰💓
    

On May 8, 2021, at 12:24 PM, JG via groups.io <bramblebunny@...> wrote:

 Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover





Re: Stasis - moult relief suggestions

paulette
 

Correction..
I left out "leaf"....I meant to write "green leaf lettuce" not to confuse with iceburg lettuce please:).

Paulette

On Saturday, May 8, 2021, 01:46:12 PM EDT, paulette via groups.io <rahfly@...> wrote:


Hi Julie,

I hope Shiruba continues to improve.

I just wanted to give a quick reply regarding dry papaya. I would cease it immediately!
Dry papaya is not going to help, it's just a sugary treat which should be avoided. 

Drying (losing water) concentrates the fruit’s sugar dramatically. For example, apricot sugar levels rise from 9.5% when fresh to 54.2% when dried. 

According to study....
Carbohydrates inhibit the release of motilin, a protein that (in rabbits and humans) helps regulate upper GI motility by stimulating contractions of the small intestine. Administering products that contain simple sugars and digestible carbohydrates may interfere with restoration of normal GI motility. (Brewer NR, Cruise LJ: Physiology. In Manning PJ, Ringler DH, Newcomer CE (eds): The Biology of the Laboratory Rabbit. Academic Press, San Diego, 1994, p 65.)

Instead, you could try Oxbow's Natural Science "Papaya Support" ( natural sources of active enzymes, papain and bromelain and high fiber timothy hay ). 

My bunny is similar, he has a dense coat and seems to shed constantly. I give him 2 tabs daily...one tab am and pm. I also provide plenty of *wet* mixed greens daily...always include romaine or green lettuce as they have a high water content...this ensures my boy is well hydrated, as well as the greens provide good fiber. I think hydration is imperative, along with high fiber hay, such as 1st cut timothy hay ( but any hay is better than none, except alfalfa hay imo ).

I hope this helps, and best to you and Shiruba...

Paulette


On Saturday, May 8, 2021, 12:24:35 PM EDT, JG via groups.io <bramblebunny@...> wrote:


Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover




Re: Stasis - moult relief suggestions

paulette
 

Hi Julie,

I hope Shiruba continues to improve.

I just wanted to give a quick reply regarding dry papaya. I would cease it immediately!
Dry papaya is not going to help, it's just a sugary treat which should be avoided. 

Drying (losing water) concentrates the fruit’s sugar dramatically. For example, apricot sugar levels rise from 9.5% when fresh to 54.2% when dried. 

According to study....
Carbohydrates inhibit the release of motilin, a protein that (in rabbits and humans) helps regulate upper GI motility by stimulating contractions of the small intestine. Administering products that contain simple sugars and digestible carbohydrates may interfere with restoration of normal GI motility. (Brewer NR, Cruise LJ: Physiology. In Manning PJ, Ringler DH, Newcomer CE (eds): The Biology of the Laboratory Rabbit. Academic Press, San Diego, 1994, p 65.)

Instead, you could try Oxbow's Natural Science "Papaya Support" ( natural sources of active enzymes, papain and bromelain and high fiber timothy hay ). 

My bunny is similar, he has a dense coat and seems to shed constantly. I give him 2 tabs daily...one tab am and pm. I also provide plenty of *wet* mixed greens daily...always include romaine or green lettuce as they have a high water content...this ensures my boy is well hydrated, as well as the greens provide good fiber. I think hydration is imperative, along with high fiber hay, such as 1st cut timothy hay ( but any hay is better than none, except alfalfa hay imo ).

I hope this helps, and best to you and Shiruba...

Paulette


On Saturday, May 8, 2021, 12:24:35 PM EDT, JG via groups.io <bramblebunny@...> wrote:


Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover




Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Stasis - moult relief suggestions

hunhare
 

I forgot to mention that we administer only 1-2 cc of the 10cc pancreatic enzyme suspension once a day.  Oops!

Oral hydration is still key.

Dana

Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami




From: main@etherbun.groups.io <main@etherbun.groups.io> on behalf of hunhare via groups.io <dana@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 1:34 PM
To: Main <main@etherbun.groups.io>; bramblebunny@... <bramblebunny@...>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Stasis - moult relief suggestions
 
The ONLY enzymes that will break down keratin (the main protein component of hair) is pancreatic enzymes.  You can get freeze-dried powder at most natural food stores.

We suspend the contents in 10cc of clean water with a tiny bit of aloe nectar to make it palatable.  It works best at a neutral pH, so our vets also recommend giving a small dose of famotidine about an hour before giving the enzymes.

Along with lots of oral hydration (which is critical) and occasional enema, the enzymes seem to work really well. 

Bromelain and papain will break up mucus proteins holding a "hairball" together, but they will not break down keratin.

The real key is hydration of intestinal contents, and lactulose can help with that, as long as the bunny is well hydrated all around.

If you've never tried an enema to help jump start a static gut, it is the best way:

A few extra pointers: The enema can be repeated every four to six hours. The colon absorbs water. If your veteterinarian has directed you to give your ailing bunny subcutaneous fluids as part of her therapy, be sure to consult with your vet to determine whether any adjustments need to be made to fluid dosages.
www.bio.miami.edu
With all of the above, be sure to check with your vet if you're inexperienced, since you don't want to do more harm than good.

Dana



Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami




From: main@etherbun.groups.io <main@etherbun.groups.io> on behalf of JG via groups.io <bramblebunny@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 12:24 PM
To: Main <main@etherbun.groups.io>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Stasis - moult relief suggestions
 
CAUTION: This email originated from outside the organization. DO NOT CLICK ON LINKS or OPEN ATTACHMENTS unless you know and trust the sender.

Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover




Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Stasis - moult relief suggestions

hunhare
 

The ONLY enzymes that will break down keratin (the main protein component of hair) is pancreatic enzymes.  You can get freeze-dried powder at most natural food stores.

We suspend the contents in 10cc of clean water with a tiny bit of aloe nectar to make it palatable.  It works best at a neutral pH, so our vets also recommend giving a small dose of famotidine about an hour before giving the enzymes.

Along with lots of oral hydration (which is critical) and occasional enema, the enzymes seem to work really well. 

Bromelain and papain will break up mucus proteins holding a "hairball" together, but they will not break down keratin.

The real key is hydration of intestinal contents, and lactulose can help with that, as long as the bunny is well hydrated all around.

If you've never tried an enema to help jump start a static gut, it is the best way:

A few extra pointers: The enema can be repeated every four to six hours. The colon absorbs water. If your veteterinarian has directed you to give your ailing bunny subcutaneous fluids as part of her therapy, be sure to consult with your vet to determine whether any adjustments need to be made to fluid dosages.
www.bio.miami.edu
With all of the above, be sure to check with your vet if you're inexperienced, since you don't want to do more harm than good.

Dana



Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami




From: main@etherbun.groups.io <main@etherbun.groups.io> on behalf of JG via groups.io <bramblebunny@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 12:24 PM
To: Main <main@etherbun.groups.io>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Stasis - moult relief suggestions
 
CAUTION: This email originated from outside the organization. DO NOT CLICK ON LINKS or OPEN ATTACHMENTS unless you know and trust the sender.

Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover




Re: Stasis - moult relief suggestions

Meg Brown
 

Hi Julie,
    I just Re-read your post.   I would definitely be giving sub-Q fluids, 2x a day (at least once a day anyway), until Shiruba is back to normal.

    I would also continue with the simethicone.
    and if she shows Any signs of discomfort, I would give Metacam.

My regular GI slowdown protocol is:
Sub-Q and oral fluids
Critical Care
Cisapride
Reglan
Metacam
Simethicone
(If mucus is present, I add a dose of Questran)

I adjust according to symptoms (if Metacam is not covering discomfort, I add Buprinex)

I have used a similar protocol for 22 years with great success, even with buns who have ingested large amounts of fur.

PS:  In an advanced case, I work closely with my vet, (who trusts my home care and prescribes the meds I use). 
     I have often had X-rays taken to assure that progress is being made and that we are not dealing with another issue as well.
     Sincerely,
        Meg




On May 8, 2021, at 12:57 PM, Meg Brown <bustercharlie@...> wrote:


Hi Julie,
     I personally don’t put any stock in using papaya.

    I find that cisapride and Reglan are both very helpful with a GI slowdown, as you describe.

If given a choice, I would choose cisapride, as it works on the lower GI.  I’m fortunate in that I usually have both on hand.   I often give both together.

     I would keep up with the sub-Q fluids and of course syringe-feed Critical Care or a substitute (homemade pellet mush?), if she’s not eating.

      I would also ask your vet for a script for cisapride ASAP 
It can be given 2-3x a day.

And Brush as often as possible, even 2-3x a day while heavily shedding.
    Wishing all the best to you and Shiruba🐰💓
    

On May 8, 2021, at 12:24 PM, JG via groups.io <bramblebunny@...> wrote:

 Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover




Re: Stasis - moult relief suggestions

BenBun'sMom
 

A while back I learned from some of you UK members that olive oil, in moderation, was a sure way to "grease the chute" to help ingested fur slide on through.  I've never had to try it but have it on mental file just in case.  Has it fallen out of favor?  Struck me as a fairly innocuous therapeutic assist.  HTH!

On Sat, May 8, 2021 at 12:24 PM JG via groups.io <bramblebunny=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover




Re: Stasis - moult relief suggestions

Meg Brown
 

Hi Julie,
     I personally don’t put any stock in using papaya.

    I find that cisapride and Reglan are both very helpful with a GI slowdown, as you describe.

If given a choice, I would choose cisapride, as it works on the lower GI.  I’m fortunate in that I usually have both on hand.   I often give both together.

     I would keep up with the sub-Q fluids and of course syringe-feed Critical Care or a substitute (homemade pellet mush?), if she’s not eating.

      I would also ask your vet for a script for cisapride ASAP 
It can be given 2-3x a day.

And Brush as often as possible, even 2-3x a day while heavily shedding.
    Wishing all the best to you and Shiruba🐰💓
    

On May 8, 2021, at 12:24 PM, JG via groups.io <bramblebunny@...> wrote:

 Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover




Stasis - moult relief suggestions

JG
 

Hi Bunny gurus.

One of my buns, a Conti Giant, Shiruba, went into GI stasis two days ago… was amazingly surprised, as she is a mighty eater and pooer.  about 2.5 or 3 YO.  I first treated her from home with metacam and simethecone and tummy rubs, and then some Domperidome, that I have from a British friend, as I didn’t have any home stock of metachlopromide.

No improvement, so took her to the emergency vets the next day.  She got some sub q fluids, and an injectible drug that they annoyingly didn’t detail on the release notes, something that is being used off label to help with stasis.  Sent home with metacam, metachlopromide and told to administer sub q fluids if necessary, as I have them here too.

She was finally showing poos last night.. misshapen, lots of them teardrop shaped, with lots of fur… or string of pearly.  This morning there is more poo, and she is back wanting her pellets, veg, hay, etc.   which I am really glad about…   because of the fur in her poo, and the fact that she is moulting like crazy (she is almost always shedding somewhat, she has an amazing thick coat).  I try to brush her, and keep on top of it, but because of all the fur in her poo, I suspect that excess floof was the cause of the gut slowdown.

What can I give her that might help either breakdown some of the fur, or help its smooth passage through her gut?  I seem to remember somethign called laculose (sp?)  I don’t know if that is a vet only thing?   I had been giving them a small piece of dried papaya as a treat once per day, thinking the enzymes might help a little… I am currently out as Target has discountinued their supply.. but should be getting some in the next day or two elsewhere.

I am due to go out of town in 4 days, so would love to have some ‘insurance’ that this won’t happen while I am gone… if she backslides I won’t go… but am hoping to get ahead of this so it won’t be a problem now or in the future.

Thanks very much!!


Julie Glover




Re: please help! in dire need

Christine J. Cox
 

Wow, I hear you!  I have had Zyler 7 years and he was supposedly 2 when I adopted him, so in my estimation he is somewhere between 8 and 10 years old now.  He's never been a meticulous bunny, but he used his box.  His favorite hangout is the kitchen, where he sleeps and eats "treats" (timothy cubes) on a cat pedestal by the slider.  In the past year, this has become a nightmare - for me.  Poop all over the pedestal, on the floor, and peeing next to the pedestal.  I actually caught him on the pedestal one morning, repositioning himself to pee over the edge onto the floor, never interrupting his eating.  My house is not so large that he can't get back to his litterbox.  He just doesn't want to.  He's gotten sloppy around his box as well, pooping outside of it.  He is not in an enclosure, he is free-range, but his "home" is a 4x6 rug where his litterbox, water and food bowls are.  Interestingly enough, he seems to confine his random pooping to the boundaries of his rug.  So I believe in his case, it's within his control.  I suspect age has made him a bit lazy and sloppy, and I guess I can relate to that!  But it doesn't make it any less irritating.  This week I stopped giving him treats in the kitchen.  He still spends most of the day there, on the pedestal and on a kitchen chair, but there's no mess.  His rug is still a problem, similar to Miffy's - peeing next to the box and poop everywhere.  

Does Miffy make a mess anywhere else around the house?  If not, I'd tend to think it's behavioral.  I had a bun with pristine litterbox habits who started peeing in small amounts next to the chair he slept on when he was 9 years old.  The vet told me that his arthritis probably made him strain to jump or get up, and it was likely involuntary urine loss.  This was a bunny that was free-range in a 3000 sf home, with one litterbox in the mudroom on the first floor.  He never had an accident in the prior 8 years.  While behavioral is far preferable than medical, it's still a huge pain.  The solutions I've seen entail confining the rabbit to the litterbox with a surround no larger than the box itself, but I'm not prepared to do something like that at this point in Zyler's life.  Plus, I think there is so much we don't fully understand, and frankly they don't always understand us.  During spring and summer, Zyler contributes a nice border of poop and pee along the slider, which I suppose is his line in the sand to ensure none of the backyard critters enter the house.  Or his love letter to the female rabbits in the yard.  I have no idea.  It doesn't matter how many times I clean it up, he has an endless supply and infinite patience.  You could try putting wire cube panels around the litterbox, leaving an opening just large enough for Miffy to enter and see if that helps.  I fully understand your frustration - I live it! - but it's so hard to train a messy bun.

Christine 


Re: please help! in dire need

LT walking
 

I purchased table top potting trays with three high sides and a low lipped side that is easy to get over. Amazon has one I bought but I also got one from an online gardening site with an even lower lip.
I purchased large washable human pee pad bed protectors and placed the potting tray on top - in case of “accidents”.


Re: please help! in dire need

pack_lisa
 

My 9-year-old spayed holland lop pees outsider her box. She also is cage free. We took her to the vet for a full blood work up and she is totally FINE. So we just put an xl puppy pad under the litterbox and she mostly goes there. Every time I change the pad, she runs over and pees on the pad right away for good measure. I don't know why she does this. She is a very serious, dominant bunny who doesn't like to be touched. Doesn't care much for humans. Might just be personality. Who knows? Sometimes we just don't have the answers. Get some puppy pads but watch that your bunny doesn't chew them. If chewing occurs, place a washable rug on top. 
Lisa


From: main@etherbun.groups.io <main@etherbun.groups.io> on behalf of ThumpersMama18 <jmiller111391@...>
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To: veronica torres <veronicaclairetorres@...>; main@etherbun.groups.io <main@etherbun.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] please help! in dire need
 
I just wanted to reply that Miffy should probably see a rabbit savvy vet.
My rabbit started doing this which was NOT like him at all, he would pee RIGHT next to his litter box, and you could tell it didn't feel good so I immediately knew something wasn't right... we found out that he had some irritation at the tip of his penis... inside AND outside the tip. He is almost 4 years old and he is neutered.

Think of it like a UTI, but there was no systemic infection. The bacteria from cecotrope residue was sitting there (he's a bigger bun and cant always reach completely to clean himself) so the bacteria was just sitting on the skin and caused UTI-like symptoms. 

We did a bunch of testing because at first we thought maybe sludge or stones, but thankfully it was just a weird thing that went away with some meds and wound balm to put on the area to help soothe it, and checking his bum frequently to make sure its clean. He didn't have poopy butt, it was literally just a tiny spot of dried ceco that caused this whole thing. 

Does Miffy act uncomfortable when she goes? Does she move around a lot when she's in her litter box? When does she pee outside her box?

With my rabbit it was immediately after he jumped out of his litter box and you could tell that it didn't feel good, like all the muscle-contracting from him jumping out of his box was expressing his bladder. 

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