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Re: Gurgly stomach

David L. Fisher
 

The very first thing you can do right now for the fastest and safest effect - Get some type of anti-gas drops/chewable tablets that have SIMETHICONE as the active ingredient, and mix with something your rabbit will eat (Monty loves when I mix in a cherry-flavored Gax-X tablet pulverized and with about 1/2" banana).  If you don't have these, you can probably get both of those in one run to a CVS or Walgreens.  :)

Also do some gentle tummy massage towards the rear, to help gas bubbles move through and finally out.  To quote an article I think is from HRS or even Dana Krempels in particular, "a farting bunny is a happy bunny" - and it may take a few rounds.  Lil will tell you if it's helping, y'know?

I had a rabbit once (one of the twins) where I could hear her from across the room - I did the above two steps, helped her discover how to pass gas, and she was all better.

Of course, always call your vet - but this you can do immediately.

Dave

On 4/27/2021 9:36 PM, tiffanie fisher wrote:
My almost 10 yr old Lil’s stomach has been gurgling loudly like I’ve never heard before. I looked it up and it says it is probably gas and that it isn’t good. I first heard it last night. She seemed ok but I gave her semethicone and some water and metacam. She ate and drank and seemed fine today. Once again, as she is laying with her husbun,
It’s gurgling again. Again, she seems ok. I just gave her half a raisin and she ripped it out of my hand. Now she is staring at me expectantly for a follow up raisin.

Any ideas? I will call the vet tomorrow. Recently I’ve given both my rabbits a little baby food with their pellets. Basically just doing what I can to encourage them to eat more calories. So I thought maybe the baby food (raspberry/oatmeal) may have sugars or something that is new to their digestive systems. I’ve stopped since I heard her stomach gurgle. Otherwise nothing new. She is almost 10, pasturella positive and deaf. My Jack is almost 15, arthritic, and blind. And they are the loves of my life.

Thanks I’m advance for any ideas.

Tiffanie





Gurgly stomach

tiffanie fisher
 

My almost 10 yr old Lil’s stomach has been gurgling loudly like I’ve never heard before. I looked it up and it says it is probably gas and that it isn’t good. I first heard it last night. She seemed ok but I gave her semethicone and some water and metacam. She ate and drank and seemed fine today. Once again, as she is laying with her husbun,
It’s gurgling again. Again, she seems ok. I just gave her half a raisin and she ripped it out of my hand. Now she is staring at me expectantly for a follow up raisin.

Any ideas? I will call the vet tomorrow. Recently I’ve given both my rabbits a little baby food with their pellets. Basically just doing what I can to encourage them to eat more calories. So I thought maybe the baby food (raspberry/oatmeal) may have sugars or something that is new to their digestive systems. I’ve stopped since I heard her stomach gurgle. Otherwise nothing new. She is almost 10, pasturella positive and deaf. My Jack is almost 15, arthritic, and blind. And they are the loves of my life.

Thanks I’m advance for any ideas.

Tiffanie


Re: Treating a 9yo with high CRE and K+ values

BenBun'sMom
 

My tiniest rabbit, LittleHappyCloud (LHC) was 12 y/o when he developed a stone.  My holistic vet with superb knowledge of rabbits and herbal therapies put LHC on a compound to soften and smooth the surface of the stone.  Weeks later the stone, which was the size of a regular jelly bean, shifted and it was time to deal with it.  In lieu of jumping immediately to surgery, vet sedated LHC and instilled (her term, "gobs of") lubricant into his ureter (?) and with gentle persistence she was able to coax/ slide the stone out without collateral tissue damage.  I believe she catheterized him to keep flow open and prevent adhesions but he undid that within 24 hours.  He healed easily, was on Adequan for a while, and had no recurrent calcifications.  No idea if you have access to such a talented integrative vet who would deem the procedure appropriate to your bunny, so this is just for your thinking outside the box exercises.  Products you might discuss with a holistic vet are Standard Process Company's Phosfood and from traditional oriental medicine's "herbal pharmacy" San Ren Tang.  Keep in mind that a holistic vet completes her allopathic medical training, spends years in practice, and along the way indulges her passion for healing animals by pursuing certification/ licensing in animal acupuncture and oriental medicines.  All the best to your little guy.  If he's a rex he likely is much larger than LHC was which may be an advantage.


On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 3:30 PM linedgroundsquirrels via groups.io <linedgroundsquirrels=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello,  has anyone treated for a kidney stone?   Our DVM says surgery is risky and we won't go that route.   Our 9 y.o rex had CBC/BMP work done about 2 months ago.   His K+ value is over 8.5 and his CRE value is 4.0. 

Our DVM did say these valuse are high.   He's on Gabapentin for arthritic concerns and DVM scripted Panacur on April 19-2021 in case e. . is a factor   Dietary modifications are in place with low-calcium greens, plenty of wet greens, and I'm supplementing with 30-40 cc water by mouth.   He did get subQs at his xray appt. on 4/19.  He stopped eating which was an alert -- and abnormal behavior for him.

I'm deeply concerned about side effects for Rx'd potassium citrate and hydrochlorothiazide.    Side effects fo humans stating these drugs, or potassium citrate should not be taken if kidney disease is diagnosed.

Thank you to Chris Norlund and David Fischer who gave suggestions to me when our boy had an enlarged liver diagnosis. 

Julie


Treating a 9yo with high CRE and K+ values

linedgroundsquirrels
 

Hello,  has anyone treated for a kidney stone?   Our DVM says surgery is risky and we won't go that route.   Our 9 y.o rex had CBC/BMP work done about 2 months ago.   His K+ value is over 8.5 and his CRE value is 4.0. 

Our DVM did say these valuse are high.   He's on Gabapentin for arthritic concerns and DVM scripted Panacur on April 19-2021 in case e. . is a factor   Dietary modifications are in place with low-calcium greens, plenty of wet greens, and I'm supplementing with 30-40 cc water by mouth.   He did get subQs at his xray appt. on 4/19.  He stopped eating which was an alert -- and abnormal behavior for him.

I'm deeply concerned about side effects for Rx'd potassium citrate and hydrochlorothiazide.    Side effects fo humans stating these drugs, or potassium citrate should not be taken if kidney disease is diagnosed.

Thank you to Chris Norlund and David Fischer who gave suggestions to me when our boy had an enlarged liver diagnosis. 

Julie


ADMIN: Scams thread

mark
 

Hi Folks,

The recent "scam" thread is off-topic; please let it die out.

We dont want the list and archives to be cluttered with non-bunny related stuff.
There is no lack of other places to find out about the latest hi-jinks of the Internet scumsters, oops I mean scamsters. :)

If you ever have a question about a message you see on the list, you can always send a question to: ebac+owner@etherbun.groups.io.
This address appears as a mailto: link at the bottom of every list message.

Thanks for keeping the Etherbun signal-to-noise ratio above average!

mark for EBAC


Re: Scam

gabbysbunnies
 

I had exactly the same thing happen to me about 6 months ago.  It was definitely embarrassing but thankfully there was no identity theft involved.  I did report it to Yahoo since that is my email domaine.

Best,
Gabrielle LaManna

On Sunday, April 25, 2021, 07:51:30 AM EDT, Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...> wrote:


This stuff happens! I informed the group it was an obvious scam so I doubt anyone fell for it. No problem.


On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:10 AM, Deborah Beal <buddiesmom@...> wrote:


Not your fault🐇♥️🐇💗

Deborah 
Lucy & Zoe
Maurice & Leo
Ollie Cat

On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Catherine Zelonis <catread40@...> wrote:


This is so embarrassing. I was told by various friends that they received a request from me for money for a gift for my niece. I didn't know that it went to etherbun until I just checked the recent messages for this month. I did not receive any of those emails. I hope I wasn't taken off because of this. I was hacked, and the request was kind of silly, so I wonder how old the hacker was. Am I still on this group?
Cathy Zelonis


Re: Scam

Claudine Stone
 

This stuff happens! I informed the group it was an obvious scam so I doubt anyone fell for it. No problem.


On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:10 AM, Deborah Beal <buddiesmom@...> wrote:

 Not your fault🐇♥️🐇💗

Deborah 
Lucy & Zoe
Maurice & Leo
Ollie Cat

On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Catherine Zelonis <catread40@...> wrote:


This is so embarrassing. I was told by various friends that they received a request from me for money for a gift for my niece. I didn't know that it went to etherbun until I just checked the recent messages for this month. I did not receive any of those emails. I hope I wasn't taken off because of this. I was hacked, and the request was kind of silly, so I wonder how old the hacker was. Am I still on this group?
Cathy Zelonis


Re: Scam

Deborah Beal
 

Not your fault🐇♥️🐇💗

Deborah 
Lucy & Zoe
Maurice & Leo
Ollie Cat

On Apr 24, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Catherine Zelonis <catread40@...> wrote:


This is so embarrassing. I was told by various friends that they received a request from me for money for a gift for my niece. I didn't know that it went to etherbun until I just checked the recent messages for this month. I did not receive any of those emails. I hope I wasn't taken off because of this. I was hacked, and the request was kind of silly, so I wonder how old the hacker was. Am I still on this group?
Cathy Zelonis


Scam

Catherine Zelonis
 

This is so embarrassing. I was told by various friends that they received a request from me for money for a gift for my niece. I didn't know that it went to etherbun until I just checked the recent messages for this month. I did not receive any of those emails. I hope I wasn't taken off because of this. I was hacked, and the request was kind of silly, so I wonder how old the hacker was. Am I still on this group?
Cathy Zelonis


Re: Greetings

Kinenchen
 

I agree with Claudine that it's likely a scam. 


Re: Greetings

Claudine Stone
 

This sounds like a scam! You can buy a gift card from anywhere with internet.


On Apr 17, 2021, at 10:09 AM, Catherine Zelonis <catread40@...> wrote:


How are you? I need a favor from you.

   I need to get a Google play gift card for my Niece, it's her birthday today but I can't do this now because am currently out of town. Can you get it from any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.

Kindly let me know if you can handle this.

Cathy
Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Greetings

Catherine Zelonis
 

How are you? I need a favor from you.

   I need to get a Google play gift card for my Niece, it's her birthday today but I can't do this now because am currently out of town. Can you get it from any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.

Kindly let me know if you can handle this.

Cathy
Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: Critical Care Comparison?

Kinenchen
 

Sherwood is very sugary, so I'd be careful about feeding it to a bunny who might have stasis, dysbiosis, a blockage or any other condition where the sugar might cause gas that could exacerbate the situation. It's a fine formula for bunnies who need to gain weight and don't have sensitive tummies, but you have to supplement with Critical Care or something formulated with vitamins and minerals to ensure the bunny is getting adequate nutrition.

If you can't find Critical Care, grinding up your bunny's regular pellets in the blender is less likely to upset the bunny's intestinal flora and it'll save you some money. I add a generous handful of basil or fennel to the blender to give it an appealing aroma without adding a lot of excess sugar.


Christie Taylor



On Thu, Apr 1, 2021 at 10:50 AM ThumpersMama18 <jmiller111391@...> wrote:
I agree with BenBun'sMom, we feel sherwood is the best. Both my boys LOVE sherwood recovery food and eat it straight from a dish! In a pinch you can crush pellets with water but we think Sherwood is the best for recovery food. Doctor Doogs Bunny Pharm also has a GREAT "homemade" recovery food called "Vitality Vittles". Sometimes we mix a little of the DoctorDoogs w/Sherwood. 
My exotic vet also gives a bag of Emeraid after surgeries but I do not like that ingredient list, same with Oxbow's.. so we use sherwood. My boys LOVE sherwood recovery food! They gobble it right up! :)

Jess


Re: Sauteur d’Alfort buns

mark
 

Hi Meg,

I agree, this cant be good for their bodies in the long run.

And not to go to br**ding, but... if it was my buns that had this mutation, I would let it die out.
Which would happen in any case, being against br**ding in general.

-mark

On 4/1/2021 11:05 PM, Meg Brown wrote:
Hi Mark,
My first thought is that moving like that would be very stressful on their joints.
I would not be surprised if they get early onset arthritis.
Also, holding their head bad looks so unnatural and painful. (tight neck muscles)
I would hope that they wouldn’t be bred as a novelty.
I’m interested in others’ opinions,
Thank you,
Meg

On Apr 1, 2021, at 10:33 PM, mark via groups.io <mark318318=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Someone sent me this.
I found it hard to believe at first, but apparently it's true.
A breed of buns that can't hop normally, so they do "handstands" and walk on their fronts.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-mutation-replaces-bunny-hops-handstands-180977365

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rabbit-handstand-front-paws-gene-defect-video


Relevance to Etherbun - behavior, I guess.
It shows how adaptable these little guys are, and in situations where some people might consider euthanasia, the buns show that they are able to make do and have an acceptable quality of life.

-mark









Re: Sauteur d’Alfort buns

Meg Brown
 

Hi Mark,
My first thought is that moving like that would be very stressful on their joints.
I would not be surprised if they get early onset arthritis.
Also, holding their head bad looks so unnatural and painful. (tight neck muscles)

I would hope that they wouldn’t be bred as a novelty.
I’m interested in others’ opinions,
Thank you,
Meg

On Apr 1, 2021, at 10:33 PM, mark via groups.io <mark318318=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:


Someone sent me this.
I found it hard to believe at first, but apparently it's true.
A breed of buns that can't hop normally, so they do "handstands" and walk on their fronts.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-mutation-replaces-bunny-hops-handstands-180977365

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rabbit-handstand-front-paws-gene-defect-video


Relevance to Etherbun - behavior, I guess.
It shows how adaptable these little guys are, and in situations where some people might consider euthanasia, the buns show that they are able to make do and have an acceptable quality of life.

-mark






Sauteur d’Alfort buns

mark
 

Someone sent me this.
I found it hard to believe at first, but apparently it's true.
A breed of buns that can't hop normally, so they do "handstands" and walk on their fronts.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/genetic-mutation-replaces-bunny-hops-handstands-180977365

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/rabbit-handstand-front-paws-gene-defect-video


Relevance to Etherbun - behavior, I guess.
It shows how adaptable these little guys are, and in situations where some people might consider euthanasia, the buns show that they are able to make do and have an acceptable quality of life.

-mark


Re: Critical Care Comparison?

 

I agree with BenBun'sMom, we feel sherwood is the best. Both my boys LOVE sherwood recovery food and eat it straight from a dish! In a pinch you can crush pellets with water but we think Sherwood is the best for recovery food. Doctor Doogs Bunny Pharm also has a GREAT "homemade" recovery food called "Vitality Vittles". Sometimes we mix a little of the DoctorDoogs w/Sherwood. 
My exotic vet also gives a bag of Emeraid after surgeries but I do not like that ingredient list, same with Oxbow's.. so we use sherwood. My boys LOVE sherwood recovery food! They gobble it right up! :)

Jess


Re: pregnant / nursing rabbit questions

Sorelle
 


Hi Steve,

 
Rabbitats / Abandoned Rabbits is putting together a guide or manual covering these things so we're looking at the same research.  We have a bit of grant funding for it.  We're hoping to get everybody involved in feral rescue working together or at least communicating, so I'd love to hear from you directly. 

In the meantime can you list the location of the rabbits on our map at www.abandonedrabbits.com? We're in the process of switching over to new software, hopefully there won't be any glitches. 

We also have a survey, here:  

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSewzaFJhD5DUO9iF8dgfVLgMujwfxfBM_vgAq3YgHP0yFnBEA/viewform

Anybody in Etherbun is also welcome to contact us, thanks. 

Sorelle


Re: Critical Care Comparison?

BenBun'sMom
 

I've only used Emeraid formulae with wildlife and waterbirds, but you might also look at Sherwood's recovery formula.  Ingredients are much more appealing to me than those in other brands ...


On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 4:39 PM Sorelle <rabbitats@...> wrote:
The vet prescribed this for a foster bunny.  Any nutritional or content comparisons to Critical Care?  Experiences?  The foster says its seems easier to feed but the bunny isn't as impressed.  (We can't find Papaya flavored Critical Care). 

https://emeraid.com/vet/emeraid-herbivore-sustain/


Critical Care Comparison?

Sorelle
 

The vet prescribed this for a foster bunny.  Any nutritional or content comparisons to Critical Care?  Experiences?  The foster says its seems easier to feed but the bunny isn't as impressed.  (We can't find Papaya flavored Critical Care). 

https://emeraid.com/vet/emeraid-herbivore-sustain/

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