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Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Bun losing weight HELP

Libby
 

Thank you Marie! I have some at home! I will give her some. Thank you! 
I also ordered subQ liquids. Praying she strengthens. 😔




On Monday, March 15, 2021, 12:58 PM, Marie Zientara <mzien5@...> wrote:

Hi Libby,

I had great success with canned pumpkin. It’s great fiber, they like it and it’s easy to serve. I bought plain, canned pumpkin with out spice or sugars added. If you put the spoon in front of her or on a plate, they usually just lick it off and love it!
Hope this helps.

Marie 


On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Oh my goodness that is such a good point! I will ask for subcutaneous fluids now




On Monday, March 15, 2021, 12:17 PM, Krempels, Dana M <dana@...> wrote:

Make sure that her weight loss is not due to dehydration, which can be slow and insidious.
Does she occasionally get subQ fluids to help boost her fluid intake?

Please ask your vet about that.  Dehydration can be very dangerous, especially when it sneaks up gradually.
A dehydrated bunny can feel just like a skinny bunny.

Dana

Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami

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Hello, 
I posted earlier about my bunny suffering from head tilt and rolling. She is getting slightly better with bolstering and occasionally will sit up and she can eat on her own but can’t drink so I syringe water her. 
My bunny Brownie is a two-year-old spayed female.

My question is, what can I feed her to help her gain weight? 

She has lost 1 pound (of her small body weight) in a month. We were syringe feeding her critical care but then she started eating hay, pellets and vegetables on her own. I read through various links from HRS to try alfalfa hay, oats, carrots, Apples & other fruits. My vet however said that this is dangerous and could create intestinal issues.  I don’t know what to do because she is not gaining weight just eating Timothy hay and pellets and lettuce and carrots. 

What is OK for her to eat that will help her gain weight?

Please help!!!

Thank you
Libby 
Happy owner of sweet Brownie




Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Bun losing weight HELP

Marie Zientara
 

Hi Libby,

I had great success with canned pumpkin. It’s great fiber, they like it and it’s easy to serve. I bought plain, canned pumpkin with out spice or sugars added. If you put the spoon in front of her or on a plate, they usually just lick it off and love it!
Hope this helps.

Marie 


On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Oh my goodness that is such a good point! I will ask for subcutaneous fluids now




On Monday, March 15, 2021, 12:17 PM, Krempels, Dana M <dana@...> wrote:

Make sure that her weight loss is not due to dehydration, which can be slow and insidious.
Does she occasionally get subQ fluids to help boost her fluid intake?

Please ask your vet about that.  Dehydration can be very dangerous, especially when it sneaks up gradually.
A dehydrated bunny can feel just like a skinny bunny.

Dana

Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami




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Hello, 
I posted earlier about my bunny suffering from head tilt and rolling. She is getting slightly better with bolstering and occasionally will sit up and she can eat on her own but can’t drink so I syringe water her. 
My bunny Brownie is a two-year-old spayed female.

My question is, what can I feed her to help her gain weight? 

She has lost 1 pound (of her small body weight) in a month. We were syringe feeding her critical care but then she started eating hay, pellets and vegetables on her own. I read through various links from HRS to try alfalfa hay, oats, carrots, Apples & other fruits. My vet however said that this is dangerous and could create intestinal issues.  I don’t know what to do because she is not gaining weight just eating Timothy hay and pellets and lettuce and carrots. 

What is OK for her to eat that will help her gain weight?

Please help!!!

Thank you
Libby 
Happy owner of sweet Brownie




Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Bun losing weight HELP

Libby
 

Oh my goodness that is such a good point! I will ask for subcutaneous fluids now




On Monday, March 15, 2021, 12:17 PM, Krempels, Dana M <dana@...> wrote:

Make sure that her weight loss is not due to dehydration, which can be slow and insidious.
Does she occasionally get subQ fluids to help boost her fluid intake?

Please ask your vet about that.  Dehydration can be very dangerous, especially when it sneaks up gradually.
A dehydrated bunny can feel just like a skinny bunny.

Dana

Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami




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Hello, 
I posted earlier about my bunny suffering from head tilt and rolling. She is getting slightly better with bolstering and occasionally will sit up and she can eat on her own but can’t drink so I syringe water her. 
My bunny Brownie is a two-year-old spayed female.

My question is, what can I feed her to help her gain weight? 

She has lost 1 pound (of her small body weight) in a month. We were syringe feeding her critical care but then she started eating hay, pellets and vegetables on her own. I read through various links from HRS to try alfalfa hay, oats, carrots, Apples & other fruits. My vet however said that this is dangerous and could create intestinal issues.  I don’t know what to do because she is not gaining weight just eating Timothy hay and pellets and lettuce and carrots. 

What is OK for her to eat that will help her gain weight?

Please help!!!

Thank you
Libby 
Happy owner of sweet Brownie




Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Bun losing weight HELP

hunhare
 

Make sure that her weight loss is not due to dehydration, which can be slow and insidious.
Does she occasionally get subQ fluids to help boost her fluid intake?

Please ask your vet about that.  Dehydration can be very dangerous, especially when it sneaks up gradually.
A dehydrated bunny can feel just like a skinny bunny.

Dana

Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami




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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Bun losing weight HELP
 
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Hello, 
I posted earlier about my bunny suffering from head tilt and rolling. She is getting slightly better with bolstering and occasionally will sit up and she can eat on her own but can’t drink so I syringe water her. 
My bunny Brownie is a two-year-old spayed female.

My question is, what can I feed her to help her gain weight? 

She has lost 1 pound (of her small body weight) in a month. We were syringe feeding her critical care but then she started eating hay, pellets and vegetables on her own. I read through various links from HRS to try alfalfa hay, oats, carrots, Apples & other fruits. My vet however said that this is dangerous and could create intestinal issues.  I don’t know what to do because she is not gaining weight just eating Timothy hay and pellets and lettuce and carrots. 

What is OK for her to eat that will help her gain weight?

Please help!!!

Thank you
Libby 
Happy owner of sweet Brownie




Bun losing weight HELP

Libby
 

Hello, 
I posted earlier about my bunny suffering from head tilt and rolling. She is getting slightly better with bolstering and occasionally will sit up and she can eat on her own but can’t drink so I syringe water her. 
My bunny Brownie is a two-year-old spayed female.

My question is, what can I feed her to help her gain weight? 

She has lost 1 pound (of her small body weight) in a month. We were syringe feeding her critical care but then she started eating hay, pellets and vegetables on her own. I read through various links from HRS to try alfalfa hay, oats, carrots, Apples & other fruits. My vet however said that this is dangerous and could create intestinal issues.  I don’t know what to do because she is not gaining weight just eating Timothy hay and pellets and lettuce and carrots. 

What is OK for her to eat that will help her gain weight?

Please help!!!

Thank you
Libby 
Happy owner of sweet Brownie




Re: Sneezing bunny - update

jeberly@...
 

Just wanted to give an update to all of those who have inquired about Hopscotch.   I took her to the vet on Monday and she is now on an antibiotic.   The vet said that  she noticed a bit of discharge around her nose that was a milky color but her lungs are clear.   We go back for a recheck in two weeks.     She is eating well and acting normal so the antibiotics should get rid of whatever could have been brewing.

Thanks,

Jean


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Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Sneezing bunny

Hi,

I hope Hopscotch is doing better. Possible sneezing cause. Many people and their pets have been staying inside. A large part of the United States suffered through severe cold weather. Dry air and cold drafts on the floors where bunnies stay could affect  rabbits breathing. There are medical conditions that may cause this.

On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 12:23:22 PM CST, jeberly via groups.io <jeberly@...> wrote:


Hello, 


My Rex bunny, Hopscotch recently started having  episodes of sneezing.   She will sneeze about 10 times in a row and then that is the end of it.   I am not seeing any eye or nose discharge and she is eating well and active as always.    I have a vet appointment on Monday to have her check out by the vet who sees rabbits in my area but is not a specialist.  

 I have two questions, anyone know of a "rabbit savy" vet in the Berks Co. or Lebanon Co areas of PA?     My second questions is any thoughts what the sneezing could be all about, nothing has changed in her environment so I would not think it would be any type of allergy but I suppose an allergy could develop as she is getting older (7 years).    My mini lop, Popcorn is doing fine and is not sneezing or showing any signs.     

Thanks,

Jean Eberly and bunnies


Re: Sneezing bunny

John Gee
 

Hi,

I hope Hopscotch is doing better. Possible sneezing cause. Many people and their pets have been staying inside. A large part of the United States suffered through severe cold weather. Dry air and cold drafts on the floors where bunnies stay could affect  rabbits breathing. There are medical conditions that may cause this.

On Thursday, March 4, 2021, 12:23:22 PM CST, jeberly via groups.io <jeberly@...> wrote:


Hello, 


My Rex bunny, Hopscotch recently started having  episodes of sneezing.   She will sneeze about 10 times in a row and then that is the end of it.   I am not seeing any eye or nose discharge and she is eating well and active as always.    I have a vet appointment on Monday to have her check out by the vet who sees rabbits in my area but is not a specialist.  

 I have two questions, anyone know of a "rabbit savy" vet in the Berks Co. or Lebanon Co areas of PA?     My second questions is any thoughts what the sneezing could be all about, nothing has changed in her environment so I would not think it would be any type of allergy but I suppose an allergy could develop as she is getting older (7 years).    My mini lop, Popcorn is doing fine and is not sneezing or showing any signs.     

Thanks,

Jean Eberly and bunnies


Re: Actinobacillus and allergies?

Theresa Clark
 

She hasn’t been tested for syphilis. She does have an appointment tomorrow with another exotic vet for a second opinion. I could ask him about syphilis.


On Mar 10, 2021, at 4:49 PM, Kinenchen <graemhoek@...> wrote:

Has the bunny been tested for syphilis? It presents in weird ways.


Christie Taylor



On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 11:24 PM <Whispercalm@...> wrote:
Hi I’m new here. I apologize for the length, but it’s been a 6 month journey.
I have an 8 month old who has had almost continuous sneezing and occasional thick nasal discharge since she was 2 months old. We have spent the last 6 months practically living at the vets. Charlie  has been on at least 4-5 antibiotics. She will get better for a couple weeks then things start up again. About the 4th return visit, our vet believed she has allergies. I was never convinced of this because of the discharge usually being either thick white or yellow. But her symptoms weren’t constant. She has a kind of pattern of starting with occasional light single sneezes for a few days. Then progresses to a day where she will have a sneezing fit and harsh sneezes and blows out a good amount of thick white or yellow snot. Usually just one good blow and it’s over, not continuous throughout the day. She may continue sneezing rest of day with little or no discharge and subside totally for 3-5 days. She’s gone as long as 2 weeks once or twice.
She’s never been symptomatic when at vets. He’s gone by my description and pictures I’ve taken. Last visit scheduled after a round of snot same story. This time he sent a culture kit home. I got a culture 3 days later for him to send off. 
result was actinobacillus.
Antibiotic which worked with culture was Zeniquin. Charlie took her last dose yesterday. She had been starting to sneeze a bit a few days before. Three hours after taking last dose she had sneezing fit and produced a glob of thick, nasty yellow snot. I talked with her vet today and he says she has severe allergies and is going to research antihistamines. I was thinking the antibiotic needed extended, but he said he believes what was in the culture was cleared up. He is a rabbit savvy vet. I researched vets before I chose him. I do think though I am going to take her antibiotic history for past 6 months and her culture results and get a second opinion.
As far as allergies, I have switched to orchard grass hay, use yesterday’s news litter, added hepa air cleaners, had our air duct system treated and use no perfumes or harsh chemicals. I keep things as clean and dust free as possible for her.  I shake dust off her hay and even sift her pellets to remove dust.
Any thoughts appreciated.


Re: Actinobacillus and allergies?

Kinenchen
 

Has the bunny been tested for syphilis? It presents in weird ways.


Christie Taylor



On Mon, Mar 8, 2021 at 11:24 PM <Whispercalm@...> wrote:
Hi I’m new here. I apologize for the length, but it’s been a 6 month journey.
I have an 8 month old who has had almost continuous sneezing and occasional thick nasal discharge since she was 2 months old. We have spent the last 6 months practically living at the vets. Charlie  has been on at least 4-5 antibiotics. She will get better for a couple weeks then things start up again. About the 4th return visit, our vet believed she has allergies. I was never convinced of this because of the discharge usually being either thick white or yellow. But her symptoms weren’t constant. She has a kind of pattern of starting with occasional light single sneezes for a few days. Then progresses to a day where she will have a sneezing fit and harsh sneezes and blows out a good amount of thick white or yellow snot. Usually just one good blow and it’s over, not continuous throughout the day. She may continue sneezing rest of day with little or no discharge and subside totally for 3-5 days. She’s gone as long as 2 weeks once or twice.
She’s never been symptomatic when at vets. He’s gone by my description and pictures I’ve taken. Last visit scheduled after a round of snot same story. This time he sent a culture kit home. I got a culture 3 days later for him to send off. 
result was actinobacillus.
Antibiotic which worked with culture was Zeniquin. Charlie took her last dose yesterday. She had been starting to sneeze a bit a few days before. Three hours after taking last dose she had sneezing fit and produced a glob of thick, nasty yellow snot. I talked with her vet today and he says she has severe allergies and is going to research antihistamines. I was thinking the antibiotic needed extended, but he said he believes what was in the culture was cleared up. He is a rabbit savvy vet. I researched vets before I chose him. I do think though I am going to take her antibiotic history for past 6 months and her culture results and get a second opinion.
As far as allergies, I have switched to orchard grass hay, use yesterday’s news litter, added hepa air cleaners, had our air duct system treated and use no perfumes or harsh chemicals. I keep things as clean and dust free as possible for her.  I shake dust off her hay and even sift her pellets to remove dust.
Any thoughts appreciated.


Re: Sneezing bunny

ClearDuncan
 

A few years ago I had a lop called Bluebell who had an inner ear abscess that resulted in part of her ear canal needing to be removed Her tear ducts were also regularly blocked and she used to sneeze big blobs of white mucus.
Someone on here suggested supplementing her with liquid echinacea which I tried and it made such huge difference to the sneezing. I can’t remember the dose I used but if you search in the older messages/posts for Echinacea you should find it. Might be worth trying anyway!

Claire.


Re: Sneezing bunny

pack_lisa
 

My English angora began sneezing a year ago after the death of her companion bunny. She also has eye and nose drainage. My vet believes it is active Pasteurella disease. We are struggling to find an antibiotic that will work for her. Your bunny could be in the beginning stage of this disease.


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I had a mini Rex (Noffy) who developed this kind of sneezing, which became chronic (several episodes each day).  We were never able to determine the cause, and I always thought it was environmental (dust, hay residue, "dave lives here too", etc).  My other 3 bunnies at the time showed no symptoms, and the best I could do was flush with saline solution occasionally.

I think Rex rabbits are more pure-bred, which means that along with the desired qualities, you also get whatever ailments they are prone to developing, such as sinus or nasal issues like Noffy had (and it sounds very similar to what you're describing).  I'm not sure what the actual issue is, but as you have other bunnies that aren't having the symptoms, the Rex breed itself may simply be more prone to them.  I think you'll likely find some evidence of irritation in the nose but no obvious cause, and that irritation may be caused by the sneezing itself, so it's difficult to diagnose the actual cause.

Hope this helps.

Dave


On 3/4/2021 1:41 PM, BenBun'sMom wrote:
Could be something as simple as a bit of foreign matter from hay (seed, grain hull fragment, for instance) lodged in her nares.  Sneezing might expel any such debris, but the vet can see.  Vet can also listen to her respiratory sounds, determine if anything seems to be brewing in there.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 1:23 PM jeberly via groups.io <jeberly=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, 


My Rex bunny, Hopscotch recently started having  episodes of sneezing.   She will sneeze about 10 times in a row and then that is the end of it.   I am not seeing any eye or nose discharge and she is eating well and active as always.    I have a vet appointment on Monday to have her check out by the vet who sees rabbits in my area but is not a specialist.  

 I have two questions, anyone know of a "rabbit savy" vet in the Berks Co. or Lebanon Co areas of PA?     My second questions is any thoughts what the sneezing could be all about, nothing has changed in her environment so I would not think it would be any type of allergy but I suppose an allergy could develop as she is getting older (7 years).    My mini lop, Popcorn is doing fine and is not sneezing or showing any signs.     

Thanks,

Jean Eberly and bunnies


Re: Shopes Papilloma Virus in Domestic Rabbits- HELP!

Beth
 

I'm not a vet, but I am a rabbit owner with a little recent experience with this condition.

My nearly 9yo Angora buck developed a papilloma on his left ear earlier this year. He is an only bun and has not had contact with any other rabbits since the age of 2, when I got him. He is a house rabbit who is allowed occasional brief (15 min.), closely supervised playtime outside in an exercise pen in dry weather. We live in an urban area, and in nearly 20 years, I've never seen wild rabbits, nor any sign of them, in our yard. If he contracted this from another rabbit, it would have had to have been nearly seven years ago, back at the breeder's. However, my (admittedly limited) reading about this virus also suggested that insects can be a vector in spreading it. It's possible my rabbit was bitten by a fly or mosquito during one of his outside playtimes.

At first the tumor grew quickly to about an inch and a half long. The weight of it on his ear seemed to bother him, so I consulted with my vet. Because of my rabbit's age, extensive surgery with anesthesia was not an option. The vet had recently acquired a cryo unit and we were going to try that, but she had some not-so-great results with a dog and advised against using it on the rabbit. In the end she scraped off the tumor while he was under heavy sedation (but not anesthesia). The removal went well and the ear healed relatively quickly. Because of the surficial nature of the removal, we did expect the tumor to regrow. Within a week to 10 days the tumor was back and the area around the base was red and slightly swollen. It grew quickly enough that I called the vet again, but she wanted to wait until the tumor was close to the original size to avoid stressing the rabbit with another procedure so soon. Then my rabbit took matters into his own paws and started scratching the tumor off. I was really worried about infection, but I also had no practical way of preventing him from reaching his ear. (There was no way he was going to tolerate an elizabethan collar.) Each time the tumor regrew, he would scratch it off; it would regrow a bit, but each time it grew back more slowly. I noticed that the area around the tumor was actually looking better than it did after his surgery -- no longer red or angry looking. The tumor is currently just a short dry nubbin, much smaller than the original growth, that doesn't seem to bother him at all.

I keep a close eye on him, and obviously if things change, I'll be back in touch with the vet, but it's been a stable situation for the past several months.

I'm sorry that this doesn't answer your question about transmissibility between rabbits, but I hope this information, while anecdotal, is still of use.


Actinobacillus and allergies?

Theresa Clark
 

Hi I’m new here. I apologize for the length, but it’s been a 6 month journey.
I have an 8 month old who has had almost continuous sneezing and occasional thick nasal discharge since she was 2 months old. We have spent the last 6 months practically living at the vets. Charlie  has been on at least 4-5 antibiotics. She will get better for a couple weeks then things start up again. About the 4th return visit, our vet believed she has allergies. I was never convinced of this because of the discharge usually being either thick white or yellow. But her symptoms weren’t constant. She has a kind of pattern of starting with occasional light single sneezes for a few days. Then progresses to a day where she will have a sneezing fit and harsh sneezes and blows out a good amount of thick white or yellow snot. Usually just one good blow and it’s over, not continuous throughout the day. She may continue sneezing rest of day with little or no discharge and subside totally for 3-5 days. She’s gone as long as 2 weeks once or twice.
She’s never been symptomatic when at vets. He’s gone by my description and pictures I’ve taken. Last visit scheduled after a round of snot same story. This time he sent a culture kit home. I got a culture 3 days later for him to send off. 
result was actinobacillus.
Antibiotic which worked with culture was Zeniquin. Charlie took her last dose yesterday. She had been starting to sneeze a bit a few days before. Three hours after taking last dose she had sneezing fit and produced a glob of thick, nasty yellow snot. I talked with her vet today and he says she has severe allergies and is going to research antihistamines. I was thinking the antibiotic needed extended, but he said he believes what was in the culture was cleared up. He is a rabbit savvy vet. I researched vets before I chose him. I do think though I am going to take her antibiotic history for past 6 months and her culture results and get a second opinion.
As far as allergies, I have switched to orchard grass hay, use yesterday’s news litter, added hepa air cleaners, had our air duct system treated and use no perfumes or harsh chemicals. I keep things as clean and dust free as possible for her.  I shake dust off her hay and even sift her pellets to remove dust.
Any thoughts appreciated.


Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Sylvie Tjoei
 

Try giving Brownie apples water. My bunnies love them. My bunny Ming has recovered. Yes, he got metacam, meclizine and antibiotics until they’re finished. Except meclizine, it was too powerful. I had to discontinue after 2 weeks, I think. 

On Mar 8, 2021, at 4:51 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

Hi, 
Thanks. It’s been worrisome. I’m going back to the vet this week and I’ll find out if she wants to continue the antibiotics. I’ll ask her about meloxicam. 
The vet did say I could give her subcutaneous fluids, but I’m fine with syringe feeding her water. Unless it’s better to give her subcutaneous fluids?
I forgot about oats! I will try giving her some of those and look for baby food. Thank you! 
I think my other bunny, Willow, is confused and doesn’t understand why brownie can’t move around so maybe that’s why she’s pulling at her fur. I hope they don’t become unbonded.
I am on Facebook! My name is libby Bray Mccarthy. 
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On Monday, March 8, 2021, 4:00 PM, Nancy Ainsworth via groups.io <jtawired@...> wrote:

Hi Libby,
You're doing a great job here. The situation you're describing CAN take longer than 3-4 weeks to resolve - it is very common. Regarding continuing the medications yes, definitely the meclizine which will help with dizziness. As far as the Panacur and the antibiotic, that will be up to your vet. Has your vet prescribed meloxicam (aka Metacam, aka meloxidyl)? It's an anti-inflammatory that might also help very much.
It's nice to hear that Brownie will eat well if she has access to food. Adding alfalfa and more pellets may help her keep her weight on, also perhaps oats (like Quaker Oats regular oats, not instant or quick oats). Syringed baby food vegetables can also help. As always, go slower introducing new foods so that her g.i. tract stays good. Giving her very wet greens will help with her fluid intake, too. It's great you're syringe feeding her water. Has your vet had any thoughts about having you start subcutaneous fluids to help? Have you ever done that before?
Re: Brownie's bonded partner - I can see why the vet thought it would be good to separate them. When I had this situation I had to separate a bonded pair, too - mainly for safety of the one who was sick because he was not "behaving" in an understandable way to his partner and she was very reactive. It's good you have them right beside each other - I think that's perfect for the time being.
Libby, are you on Facebook?
Nancy


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Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Hi, 
I’m hoping it will just take awhile longer. 
My vet seems to think 3 —4 weeks is the limit though? I’ve read it takes longer, yes?

She’s currently on all 3 meds - and should continue all 3 - yes? Until she’s not rolling?

Brownie will eat heartily if I place food right next to her face. She’s lost weight so I researched and am adding alfalfa, more pellets and veggies to hopefully get her stronger. Any other suggestions?

 I’m trying to offer water/food constantly during the day.Water is harder as she spins and can’t get her head upright. I feed her from licks it bottle or syringe if she can’t take it. I hold her or place her in secure bolstered position to eat. 

She can’t sit up. 

Vet also said to keep her from her bonded partner, Willow was biting fur from Brownie’s face and vet didn’t know what to do. They are right beside each other but fenced separately. I hate not letting them cuddle. Any advice? 

(Interestingly Willow has bonded a bit with our gentle senior dog (through the pen), and Brownie is strongly bonded to me now).

Thanks, I have a million questions and many worries.  





On Monday, March 8, 2021, 1:41 PM, Nancy Ainsworth via groups.io <jtawired@...> wrote:
Libby,
It can sometimes take awhile for this to resolve. Is Brownie currently still on all 3 medications?
How are you handling fluids for Brownie? And will Brownie eat food if it is near her or do you have to hand fee her?
Nancy


-----Original Message-----
From: Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...>
To: Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...>
Cc: main@etherbun.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Hello!
Brownie has been on meds for over 3 weeks. It’s discouraging. 😔




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 12:29 PM, Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...> wrote:
Ok, the treatment is correct! Has it been at least 3 days? It took a few days for my bunny to start to get better. About 2 weeks to get back to being more or less normal and he was on meds for the inner ear for 6 weeks I think.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:
Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Libby
 

Hi, 
Thanks. It’s been worrisome. I’m going back to the vet this week and I’ll find out if she wants to continue the antibiotics. I’ll ask her about meloxicam. 
The vet did say I could give her subcutaneous fluids, but I’m fine with syringe feeding her water. Unless it’s better to give her subcutaneous fluids?
I forgot about oats! I will try giving her some of those and look for baby food. Thank you! 
I think my other bunny, Willow, is confused and doesn’t understand why brownie can’t move around so maybe that’s why she’s pulling at her fur. I hope they don’t become unbonded.
I am on Facebook! My name is libby Bray Mccarthy. 
☺️



On Monday, March 8, 2021, 4:00 PM, Nancy Ainsworth via groups.io <jtawired@...> wrote:

Hi Libby,
You're doing a great job here. The situation you're describing CAN take longer than 3-4 weeks to resolve - it is very common. Regarding continuing the medications yes, definitely the meclizine which will help with dizziness. As far as the Panacur and the antibiotic, that will be up to your vet. Has your vet prescribed meloxicam (aka Metacam, aka meloxidyl)? It's an anti-inflammatory that might also help very much.
It's nice to hear that Brownie will eat well if she has access to food. Adding alfalfa and more pellets may help her keep her weight on, also perhaps oats (like Quaker Oats regular oats, not instant or quick oats). Syringed baby food vegetables can also help. As always, go slower introducing new foods so that her g.i. tract stays good. Giving her very wet greens will help with her fluid intake, too. It's great you're syringe feeding her water. Has your vet had any thoughts about having you start subcutaneous fluids to help? Have you ever done that before?
Re: Brownie's bonded partner - I can see why the vet thought it would be good to separate them. When I had this situation I had to separate a bonded pair, too - mainly for safety of the one who was sick because he was not "behaving" in an understandable way to his partner and she was very reactive. It's good you have them right beside each other - I think that's perfect for the time being.
Libby, are you on Facebook?
Nancy


-----Original Message-----
From: Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...>
To: main@etherbun.groups.io; jtawired@...
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Hi, 
I’m hoping it will just take awhile longer. 
My vet seems to think 3 —4 weeks is the limit though? I’ve read it takes longer, yes?

She’s currently on all 3 meds - and should continue all 3 - yes? Until she’s not rolling?

Brownie will eat heartily if I place food right next to her face. She’s lost weight so I researched and am adding alfalfa, more pellets and veggies to hopefully get her stronger. Any other suggestions?

 I’m trying to offer water/food constantly during the day.Water is harder as she spins and can’t get her head upright. I feed her from licks it bottle or syringe if she can’t take it. I hold her or place her in secure bolstered position to eat. 

She can’t sit up. 

Vet also said to keep her from her bonded partner, Willow was biting fur from Brownie’s face and vet didn’t know what to do. They are right beside each other but fenced separately. I hate not letting them cuddle. Any advice? 

(Interestingly Willow has bonded a bit with our gentle senior dog (through the pen), and Brownie is strongly bonded to me now).

Thanks, I have a million questions and many worries.  





On Monday, March 8, 2021, 1:41 PM, Nancy Ainsworth via groups.io <jtawired@...> wrote:
Libby,
It can sometimes take awhile for this to resolve. Is Brownie currently still on all 3 medications?
How are you handling fluids for Brownie? And will Brownie eat food if it is near her or do you have to hand fee her?
Nancy


-----Original Message-----
From: Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...>
To: Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...>
Cc: main@etherbun.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Hello!
Brownie has been on meds for over 3 weeks. It’s discouraging. 😔




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 12:29 PM, Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...> wrote:
Ok, the treatment is correct! Has it been at least 3 days? It took a few days for my bunny to start to get better. About 2 weeks to get back to being more or less normal and he was on meds for the inner ear for 6 weeks I think.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:
Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Nancy Ainsworth
 

Hi Libby,
You're doing a great job here. The situation you're describing CAN take longer than 3-4 weeks to resolve - it is very common. Regarding continuing the medications yes, definitely the meclizine which will help with dizziness. As far as the Panacur and the antibiotic, that will be up to your vet. Has your vet prescribed meloxicam (aka Metacam, aka meloxidyl)? It's an anti-inflammatory that might also help very much.
It's nice to hear that Brownie will eat well if she has access to food. Adding alfalfa and more pellets may help her keep her weight on, also perhaps oats (like Quaker Oats regular oats, not instant or quick oats). Syringed baby food vegetables can also help. As always, go slower introducing new foods so that her g.i. tract stays good. Giving her very wet greens will help with her fluid intake, too. It's great you're syringe feeding her water. Has your vet had any thoughts about having you start subcutaneous fluids to help? Have you ever done that before?
Re: Brownie's bonded partner - I can see why the vet thought it would be good to separate them. When I had this situation I had to separate a bonded pair, too - mainly for safety of the one who was sick because he was not "behaving" in an understandable way to his partner and she was very reactive. It's good you have them right beside each other - I think that's perfect for the time being.
Libby, are you on Facebook?
Nancy


-----Original Message-----
From: Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...>
To: main@etherbun.groups.io; jtawired@...
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 5:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Hi, 
I’m hoping it will just take awhile longer. 
My vet seems to think 3 —4 weeks is the limit though? I’ve read it takes longer, yes?

She’s currently on all 3 meds - and should continue all 3 - yes? Until she’s not rolling?

Brownie will eat heartily if I place food right next to her face. She’s lost weight so I researched and am adding alfalfa, more pellets and veggies to hopefully get her stronger. Any other suggestions?

 I’m trying to offer water/food constantly during the day.Water is harder as she spins and can’t get her head upright. I feed her from licks it bottle or syringe if she can’t take it. I hold her or place her in secure bolstered position to eat. 

She can’t sit up. 

Vet also said to keep her from her bonded partner, Willow was biting fur from Brownie’s face and vet didn’t know what to do. They are right beside each other but fenced separately. I hate not letting them cuddle. Any advice? 

(Interestingly Willow has bonded a bit with our gentle senior dog (through the pen), and Brownie is strongly bonded to me now).

Thanks, I have a million questions and many worries.  





On Monday, March 8, 2021, 1:41 PM, Nancy Ainsworth via groups.io <jtawired@...> wrote:
Libby,
It can sometimes take awhile for this to resolve. Is Brownie currently still on all 3 medications?
How are you handling fluids for Brownie? And will Brownie eat food if it is near her or do you have to hand fee her?
Nancy


-----Original Message-----
From: Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...>
To: Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...>
Cc: main@etherbun.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Hello!
Brownie has been on meds for over 3 weeks. It’s discouraging. 😔




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 12:29 PM, Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...> wrote:
Ok, the treatment is correct! Has it been at least 3 days? It took a few days for my bunny to start to get better. About 2 weeks to get back to being more or less normal and he was on meds for the inner ear for 6 weeks I think.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:
Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Libby
 

Hi, 
I’m hoping it will just take awhile longer. 
My vet seems to think 3 —4 weeks is the limit though? I’ve read it takes longer, yes?

She’s currently on all 3 meds - and should continue all 3 - yes? Until she’s not rolling?

Brownie will eat heartily if I place food right next to her face. She’s lost weight so I researched and am adding alfalfa, more pellets and veggies to hopefully get her stronger. Any other suggestions?

 I’m trying to offer water/food constantly during the day.Water is harder as she spins and can’t get her head upright. I feed her from licks it bottle or syringe if she can’t take it. I hold her or place her in secure bolstered position to eat. 

She can’t sit up. 

Vet also said to keep her from her bonded partner, Willow was biting fur from Brownie’s face and vet didn’t know what to do. They are right beside each other but fenced separately. I hate not letting them cuddle. Any advice? 

(Interestingly Willow has bonded a bit with our gentle senior dog (through the pen), and Brownie is strongly bonded to me now).

Thanks, I have a million questions and many worries.  





On Monday, March 8, 2021, 1:41 PM, Nancy Ainsworth via groups.io <jtawired@...> wrote:

Libby,
It can sometimes take awhile for this to resolve. Is Brownie currently still on all 3 medications?
How are you handling fluids for Brownie? And will Brownie eat food if it is near her or do you have to hand fee her?
Nancy


-----Original Message-----
From: Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...>
To: Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...>
Cc: main@etherbun.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Hello!
Brownie has been on meds for over 3 weeks. It’s discouraging. 😔




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 12:29 PM, Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...> wrote:
Ok, the treatment is correct! Has it been at least 3 days? It took a few days for my bunny to start to get better. About 2 weeks to get back to being more or less normal and he was on meds for the inner ear for 6 weeks I think.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:
Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Resistant Syphilis

Sorelle
 

Hi all, I believe there's been a penicillin-resistant syphilis invading the rabbit world the last few years, has anybody had any success treating it? 

Sorelle 
Rabbitats Rescue Society


Re: Cataracts

Nancy Ainsworth
 

Hi Ulrike,
Cataracts can also cause a dull headache type of pain for rabbits. There are daily eye drops that can be administered to help this. Do you have access to a veterinary ophthalmologist where you are? That would be the best bet.
Nancy


-----Original Message-----
From: Ulrike <ferretlove.uk@...>
To: Etherbun <main@etherbun.groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 2:26 pm
Subject: [Etherbun Main] Cataracts

I took in 4 rabbits a year ago, 2 dwarfs who are 9 this year and 2 slightly larger rabbits who will be 3. All neutered (now) and vaccinated. Roger, one of the dwarfs, developed a cataract in December. I took him to the vets in January when I noticed the cataract and my vet said it often develops when they have e. cuniculi. So she advised me to treat all rabbits with Panacur for a month. I did this and yesterday noticed that his healthy eye has now got a cataract as well, and the first cataract has got worse. I thought this would not have happened with the Panacur treatment, that the healthy eye becomes ill despite treatment. I didn't even know that e. cuniculi can cause cataracts. Just wondering if anybody has any experience or advice what else can be done to help him. I have a feeling his eyes are sensitive/ painful (he squints sometimes and I don't know if that's because of pain or him just getting ready to doze) so would discuss eye drops with my vet. He also acts angry sometimes, biting and digging his bedding and I wonder if that is a pain response? I'm sure he has put on weight after his Panacur treatment so for me that is a good sign? He wasn't thin so is slightly overweight now...

Ulrike


Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Nancy Ainsworth
 

Libby,
It can sometimes take awhile for this to resolve. Is Brownie currently still on all 3 medications?
How are you handling fluids for Brownie? And will Brownie eat food if it is near her or do you have to hand fee her?
Nancy


-----Original Message-----
From: Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...>
To: Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...>
Cc: main@etherbun.groups.io
Sent: Mon, Mar 8, 2021 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Etherbun Main] Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Hello!
Brownie has been on meds for over 3 weeks. It’s discouraging. 😔




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 12:29 PM, Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...> wrote:
Ok, the treatment is correct! Has it been at least 3 days? It took a few days for my bunny to start to get better. About 2 weeks to get back to being more or less normal and he was on meds for the inner ear for 6 weeks I think.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:
Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 



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