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Re: Cataracts

Sylvie Tjoei
 

They suggested not to buy it from other website. It costs $99  US per vial. 
Cheaper and less painful for bunnies. Surgery is always risky, especially for older bunnies.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Ulrike <ferretlove.uk@...> wrote:


Thank you Sylvie. I should have added that I'm in the UK so I doubt we have this medication here... Is it an over the counter or prescription med?

Ulrike


On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 19:42, Sylvie Tjoei <stjoei@...> wrote:
One of my rabbits have cataracts, it’s natural when bunnies are older . Mine is 10 yrs old. I tried with Lanomax last year, I noticed the improvements, but I stop the treatment for a while, as I am recovering from back pain. Can’t chase him ..haha 
Lanomax is manufactured by company in Los Angeles area.


Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Claudine Stone
 

Oh no! I am not a vet, just a person that went through something similar about a year ago. I’m sooo sorry! It was scary when Eliot went through this. I had no idea if he would ever be able to stand up straight again with his head forward. I dont know what to say. My boy is doing fine now and is so loving. I will pray for your bunny!


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:44 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Hello!
Brownie has been on meds for over 3 weeks. It’s discouraging. 😔




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 12:29 PM, Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...> wrote:

Ok, the treatment is correct! Has it been at least 3 days? It took a few days for my bunny to start to get better. About 2 weeks to get back to being more or less normal and he was on meds for the inner ear for 6 weeks I think.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:

Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: Vestibular disease.I did read Susan Brown’s article in rabbitorg.

Leslie B
 

Thankfully, Floppy never really rolled-just stumbled a few times, and I only saw that one day. I am determined to keep up with the 3 meds and hope his appetite will return soon. Good luck with your baby.


Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Libby
 

Hello!
Brownie has been on meds for over 3 weeks. It’s discouraging. 😔




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 12:29 PM, Claudine Stone <claudinestone@...> wrote:

Ok, the treatment is correct! Has it been at least 3 days? It took a few days for my bunny to start to get better. About 2 weeks to get back to being more or less normal and he was on meds for the inner ear for 6 weeks I think.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:

Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Claudine Stone
 

Ok, the treatment is correct! Has it been at least 3 days? It took a few days for my bunny to start to get better. About 2 weeks to get back to being more or less normal and he was on meds for the inner ear for 6 weeks I think.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 3:04 PM, Libby McCarthy <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:

 Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:

Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: Cataracts

Sylvie Tjoei
 

Ulrike, I ordered it online. I’m in Canada. I believe they deliver it internationally.
Good Luck!
It’s www.Lanomax.com.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 11:56 AM, Ulrike <ferretlove.uk@...> wrote:


Thank you Sylvie. I should have added that I'm in the UK so I doubt we have this medication here... Is it an over the counter or prescription med?

Ulrike


On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 19:42, Sylvie Tjoei <stjoei@...> wrote:
One of my rabbits have cataracts, it’s natural when bunnies are older . Mine is 10 yrs old. I tried with Lanomax last year, I noticed the improvements, but I stop the treatment for a while, as I am recovering from back pain. Can’t chase him ..haha 
Lanomax is manufactured by company in Los Angeles area.


Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Libby
 

Yes, The vet said the investigative diagnosis would be stressful on the bunny, so she’s treating it like it’s an inner ear infection and E Col. 
She is being given Panacur, Meclazine and Enroflaxin




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:33 AM, Claudine Stone <Claudinestone@...> wrote:

Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: Sneezing bunny

David L. Fisher
 

I had a mini Rex (Noffy) who developed this kind of sneezing, which became chronic (several episodes each day).  We were never able to determine the cause, and I always thought it was environmental (dust, hay residue, "dave lives here too", etc).  My other 3 bunnies at the time showed no symptoms, and the best I could do was flush with saline solution occasionally.

I think Rex rabbits are more pure-bred, which means that along with the desired qualities, you also get whatever ailments they are prone to developing, such as sinus or nasal issues like Noffy had (and it sounds very similar to what you're describing).  I'm not sure what the actual issue is, but as you have other bunnies that aren't having the symptoms, the Rex breed itself may simply be more prone to them.  I think you'll likely find some evidence of irritation in the nose but no obvious cause, and that irritation may be caused by the sneezing itself, so it's difficult to diagnose the actual cause.

Hope this helps.

Dave


On 3/4/2021 1:41 PM, BenBun'sMom wrote:
Could be something as simple as a bit of foreign matter from hay (seed, grain hull fragment, for instance) lodged in her nares.  Sneezing might expel any such debris, but the vet can see.  Vet can also listen to her respiratory sounds, determine if anything seems to be brewing in there.

On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 1:23 PM jeberly via groups.io <jeberly=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello, 


My Rex bunny, Hopscotch recently started having  episodes of sneezing.   She will sneeze about 10 times in a row and then that is the end of it.   I am not seeing any eye or nose discharge and she is eating well and active as always.    I have a vet appointment on Monday to have her check out by the vet who sees rabbits in my area but is not a specialist.  

 I have two questions, anyone know of a "rabbit savy" vet in the Berks Co. or Lebanon Co areas of PA?     My second questions is any thoughts what the sneezing could be all about, nothing has changed in her environment so I would not think it would be any type of allergy but I suppose an allergy could develop as she is getting older (7 years).    My mini lop, Popcorn is doing fine and is not sneezing or showing any signs.     

Thanks,

Jean Eberly and bunnies


Re: Cataracts

Ulrike
 

Thank you Sylvie. I should have added that I'm in the UK so I doubt we have this medication here... Is it an over the counter or prescription med?

Ulrike


On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 19:42, Sylvie Tjoei <stjoei@...> wrote:
One of my rabbits have cataracts, it’s natural when bunnies are older . Mine is 10 yrs old. I tried with Lanomax last year, I noticed the improvements, but I stop the treatment for a while, as I am recovering from back pain. Can’t chase him ..haha 
Lanomax is manufactured by company in Los Angeles area.


Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Cataracts

Ulrike
 

Thank you very much Dr. Krempels. I'll make another appointment and talk to my vet whether she can distinguish between different rabbit cataracts. I guess it is as it is now. Roger seems happy in himself most of the time and knows his room so gets around fine.

Ulrike


On Mon, 8 Mar 2021 at 19:32, Krempels, Dana M <dana@...> wrote:
There are plenty of reasons for cataracts to develop other than E. cuniculi.  E. cuniculi cataracts are characteristic, and an experienced vet ophthalmologist can tell the difference between those and cataracts due to other causes.

Ocular E. cuniculi is acquired before or during birth from mama, and is not treatable with medications that don't cross the tight junctions that make the eye into an immunological island.  Not sure about fenbendazole, but though it might be effective against systemic E. cuniculi, it might not work on ocular E. cuniculi, which remains inside the eye and does not leave.

Dana

Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami




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I took in 4 rabbits a year ago, 2 dwarfs who are 9 this year and 2 slightly larger rabbits who will be 3. All neutered (now) and vaccinated. Roger, one of the dwarfs, developed a cataract in December. I took him to the vets in January when I noticed the cataract and my vet said it often develops when they have e. cuniculi. So she advised me to treat all rabbits with Panacur for a month. I did this and yesterday noticed that his healthy eye has now got a cataract as well, and the first cataract has got worse. I thought this would not have happened with the Panacur treatment, that the healthy eye becomes ill despite treatment. I didn't even know that e. cuniculi can cause cataracts. Just wondering if anybody has any experience or advice what else can be done to help him. I have a feeling his eyes are sensitive/ painful (he squints sometimes and I don't know if that's because of pain or him just getting ready to doze) so would discuss eye drops with my vet. He also acts angry sometimes, biting and digging his bedding and I wonder if that is a pain response? I'm sure he has put on weight after his Panacur treatment so for me that is a good sign? He wasn't thin so is slightly overweight now...

Ulrike


Re: Cataracts

Sylvie Tjoei
 

One of my rabbits have cataracts, it’s natural when bunnies are older . Mine is 10 yrs old. I tried with Lanomax last year, I noticed the improvements, but I stop the treatment for a while, as I am recovering from back pain. Can’t chase him ..haha 
Lanomax is manufactured by company in Los Angeles area.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Ulrike <ferretlove.uk@...> wrote:


I took in 4 rabbits a year ago, 2 dwarfs who are 9 this year and 2 slightly larger rabbits who will be 3. All neutered (now) and vaccinated. Roger, one of the dwarfs, developed a cataract in December. I took him to the vets in January when I noticed the cataract and my vet said it often develops when they have e. cuniculi. So she advised me to treat all rabbits with Panacur for a month. I did this and yesterday noticed that his healthy eye has now got a cataract as well, and the first cataract has got worse. I thought this would not have happened with the Panacur treatment, that the healthy eye becomes ill despite treatment. I didn't even know that e. cuniculi can cause cataracts. Just wondering if anybody has any experience or advice what else can be done to help him. I have a feeling his eyes are sensitive/ painful (he squints sometimes and I don't know if that's because of pain or him just getting ready to doze) so would discuss eye drops with my vet. He also acts angry sometimes, biting and digging his bedding and I wonder if that is a pain response? I'm sure he has put on weight after his Panacur treatment so for me that is a good sign? He wasn't thin so is slightly overweight now...

Ulrike


Re: Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Claudine Stone
 

Is she being treated for both inner ear infection and E. Coniculi I I think its called? It could be either.

On Mar 8, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Libby via groups.io <lbmccarthy@...> wrote:


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Cataracts

hunhare
 

There are plenty of reasons for cataracts to develop other than E. cuniculi.  E. cuniculi cataracts are characteristic, and an experienced vet ophthalmologist can tell the difference between those and cataracts due to other causes.

Ocular E. cuniculi is acquired before or during birth from mama, and is not treatable with medications that don't cross the tight junctions that make the eye into an immunological island.  Not sure about fenbendazole, but though it might be effective against systemic E. cuniculi, it might not work on ocular E. cuniculi, which remains inside the eye and does not leave.

Dana

Dana Krempels, PhD

Senior Lecturer

Department of Biology

University of Miami




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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Etherbun Main] Cataracts
 
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I took in 4 rabbits a year ago, 2 dwarfs who are 9 this year and 2 slightly larger rabbits who will be 3. All neutered (now) and vaccinated. Roger, one of the dwarfs, developed a cataract in December. I took him to the vets in January when I noticed the cataract and my vet said it often develops when they have e. cuniculi. So she advised me to treat all rabbits with Panacur for a month. I did this and yesterday noticed that his healthy eye has now got a cataract as well, and the first cataract has got worse. I thought this would not have happened with the Panacur treatment, that the healthy eye becomes ill despite treatment. I didn't even know that e. cuniculi can cause cataracts. Just wondering if anybody has any experience or advice what else can be done to help him. I have a feeling his eyes are sensitive/ painful (he squints sometimes and I don't know if that's because of pain or him just getting ready to doze) so would discuss eye drops with my vet. He also acts angry sometimes, biting and digging his bedding and I wonder if that is a pain response? I'm sure he has put on weight after his Panacur treatment so for me that is a good sign? He wasn't thin so is slightly overweight now...

Ulrike


Cataracts

Ulrike
 

I took in 4 rabbits a year ago, 2 dwarfs who are 9 this year and 2 slightly larger rabbits who will be 3. All neutered (now) and vaccinated. Roger, one of the dwarfs, developed a cataract in December. I took him to the vets in January when I noticed the cataract and my vet said it often develops when they have e. cuniculi. So she advised me to treat all rabbits with Panacur for a month. I did this and yesterday noticed that his healthy eye has now got a cataract as well, and the first cataract has got worse. I thought this would not have happened with the Panacur treatment, that the healthy eye becomes ill despite treatment. I didn't even know that e. cuniculi can cause cataracts. Just wondering if anybody has any experience or advice what else can be done to help him. I have a feeling his eyes are sensitive/ painful (he squints sometimes and I don't know if that's because of pain or him just getting ready to doze) so would discuss eye drops with my vet. He also acts angry sometimes, biting and digging his bedding and I wonder if that is a pain response? I'm sure he has put on weight after his Panacur treatment so for me that is a good sign? He wasn't thin so is slightly overweight now...

Ulrike


Re: Vestibular disease.I did read Susan Brown’s article in rabbitorg.

Libby
 

Hello, 
I am so sorry that your bun  is having issues.
My bunny, brownie, has issues similar to this. Are you giving your bun meclizine? That usually helps with the rolling. It’s helping my bunny a little bit but she’s having severe bouts of rolling, and I posted on here as well to figure out what to do. Maybe we can follow each other‘s posts and gain valuable information. Blessings to you and your bun,
Libby




On Monday, March 8, 2021, 11:15 AM, Leslie B via groups.io <lesliebrassell@...> wrote:

I forgot to say there is no nystagmus.


Need advice and help for spinning bunny

Libby
 


Hi I don’t know if this is the correct place to send this email I apologize if it’s not. 
 My bunny Brownie developed a sudden head tilt about three weeks ago. She also had rolling eyes, and she was rolling all around. 
The vet gave her two antibiotics which stopped her eye rolling, but she continues to spin if not held or bolstered and swaddled. She will eventually spin and get out of her swaddle.
 Brownie also has difficulty eating on her own and really can’t drink without us assisting her. Otherwise she’s a very happy bunny. 
The issue is, we can’t give her the 24 hour attention much longer. We’re taking time off of work and neglecting our kids. 
The vet said that if she continues to have the problem of spinning, her quality-of-life is not good. The last thing I wanna do is put her down. She’s a beautiful two-year-old happy bunny, but we need help to stabilize her at the least, and heal her at the best. 
I desperately need advice and help! 
Thank you, 
Libby 




Re: Vestibular disease.I did read Susan Brown’s article in rabbitorg.

Leslie B
 

I forgot to say there is no nystagmus.


Re: Vestibular disease.I did read Susan Brown’s article in rabbitorg.

Leslie B
 

Great🤦🏼‍♀️ Now the search box shows up.


Vestibular disease.I did read Susan Brown’s article in rabbitorg.

Leslie B
 

I tried to do a search for this, but I can’t figure out how to search a topic in this group. Floppy is a 5 1/2 rescued neutered male of some giant mixture with helicopter or airplane ears.(They go in all sorts of angles.) Several times over the last few months, he has shown no interest in his morning piece of banana(which is my daily test of wellness). I immediately start with the gas X. After a few hours, if he has shown no interest in food, I’ll do metacam and subq fluids. He’s usually back to his normal self within 12 hours. Twice I saw him roll completely backwards when trying to climb up something, but I thought it was because he was pudgy. He always righted himself immediately and kept going. On Friday, 3/5/21, He had no interest in eating and I noticed his head listing slightly to the left when he got relaxed. I was loving on him, but when he got up, he fell to the left(it appeared his left front foot had just not supported him.) He immediately righted himself again and didn’t act bothered by it. Immediately called the vet who fit us in. (Due to Covid, I was not allowed to go in with him, but she did come to the car to talk to me.) She diagnosed Vestibular disease, but said she was not an exotics vet and would feel more comfortable if I would take Floppy to the exotics vet in Birmingham, AL. They agreed to see him on a drop in basis on 3/6/21, but that also meant I could not go in and talk to the vet face to face. His diagnosis was the same and he prescribed Baytril, Panacur, and injectable penicillin.(I do better injecting than syringing meds.)That was a lot of history, and I apologize. Floppy seems to be better. I have not seem him stumble, and his head doesn’t seem to be listing as bad, but he doesn’t seem to be eating. He will nibble, and he acts hungry, but he doesn’t have his normal appetite. Now my questions....in your experience, 1)do the meds cause lack of appetite or is this a symptom of the disease, 2) do rabbits experience nausea? I’ve read differing opinions, 3) what is the prognosis since he already seems better but isn’t eating? He did eat his piece of banana today and he might have nibbled some hay.4)How long can I wait before I have to start the tortuous process of syringe feeding? I always end up in tears when I attempt this. Thank you so much for your help and advice. I love this group.


Shopes Papilloma Virus in Domestic Rabbits- HELP!

sdisrael
 

Hello all! I'm sorry this is so long, but I really need some insight and guidelines to make sure these rescue rabbits are safe...

I desperately need information about the papilloma virus (PV) in domestic rabbits.
About a year ago, a very inexperienced bunny friend rescued two lop brothers who had been kept in an outside hutch their whole lives, with minimal human contact.
Their initial vet visit was for the basic health check- body weight, much needed nail clips, overall wellness, checking for parasites, and tending to a slight ulceration in one rabbits' eye.
They both needed to gain a bit of weight before being neutered, so Max the Marshmallow and Aiden were allowed to settle in to their new indoor living environment.
After a few weeks, my friend called me because he found lumps on their bodies... and my first thought was bot flies.  Thinking this would be a good moment for education, I had him bring the boys over so I could take a look.
Imagine my surprise when I didn't find tell-tale signs of larvae..... but instead found keratinous warts!!!  I was hesitant to even suggest that it might be the papilloma virus as it's so rare in domestic rabbits (unlike in their cottontail counterparts where CRPV can run rampant!) 

The vet assessed these warts and agreed, to his surprise, that it was indeed the papilloma virus- though neither brother had any nodules or growths in/around their mouths.  These hard, warty growths were on the head, body, and near (but not on) the genitals.  We were told that the virus lays dormant until the immune system is compromised in some way- in this case likely the from stress of constant handling and change of environment.  The vet said there's no real treatment, and the warts would be reabsorbed by the body once the flare up was under control. This was only his second case diagnosing the Shopes Papilloma Virus in his 30 years of being a vet. 

I advised my friend that he needed to quarantine the bunnies in one small space in his home, and after playing with them he needed to wash his hands, maybe even change his clothes to prevent cross-contamination.  He has a dog, and I told him the dog would need to be kept away from the bunnies and supplies, otherwise he could possibly carry the virus and spread it.

In the meantime, my friend rescued another (unspayed) rabbit and kept her in a separate enclosure.  I adamantly reminded him (to the point of annoyance I'm sure) that he was not to touch or play with the new rabbit without thoroughly washing his hands, changing his shoes, nor should he share Marshmallow's  and Aiden's hay, pellets, litter, etc

I did as much research as I could, though many of the medical articles were out of my realm of understanding.  I did discover that 25% of these keratinous warts become cancerous.  Sadly, one of the lops began to show signs of failure to thrive... and the vet couldn't figure out why.  In my gut, I just knew that Marshmellow had developed cancer, and he did indeed pass away a month later.  My friend told me about his passing, buried him, and no necropsy was done.  Once Aiden's warts receded, he no longer displayed any issues of the virus at all.

This is where all my questions come in.... I thought the PV was similar to herpes in humans... that it can be spread even during a dormant state?? Is this true?
How exactly is the virus spread?  Does a rabbit have to merely come in contact with an infected rabbit's droppings?  If a healthy rabbit grooms/ gets groomed by an infected rabbit, will it then become infected?  How infectious is this virus?

My friend has gone on to rescue many many more bunnies- and I really don't know to what extent he takes my advice in keeping the foster buns in a separate environment.
Against my warnings.... he has even bonded another rabbit with Aiden.  Nirvana and Aiden do make a beautiful bun couple.... but did he basically give Nirvana a death sentence???
Can I, in good conscience, allow him to continue fostering bunnies in a home where he blatantly disregards safety protocols??  Or am I just blowing this all out of proportion because of my own ignorance of the virus and how it's spread??

This situation is weighing heavily on me and creating a stressful ethical dilemma.  Any insight that you could provide would be appreciated.

Thank you for taking the time to read this very long post.
Sincerely, Sharon
RocketDog the rescued Maltese
Nutmeg the 14 year old Netherland Dwarf
And Beans- aka No Get Down

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